I do like the upturned leaf tips, Bob, and I've been trying to figure out where that trait comes from. I was talking to Sharon about that, and she's got a couple of plants that she likes to use for breeding because they seem to produce that a lot of the time. Unfortunately the parentage of those plants are either unknown or in dispute.

I think at least some of it must come from Neo. coriacea, though. 'Royal Cordovan' is half coriacea, as is 'Quintessence', and 'Debbie' has it too, and they all do that to some degree, at least in my conditions they do.

Oops ! 'Royal Cordovan' is the correct name. Thanks,Lisa. I looked up 'Quintessence','Debbie',and coriacea on fcbs,and that feature is reconizable in them. That 'Debbie' is a good looker. Bob

The FCBS pics don't show it nearly as well as I've seen it in real life, Bob, in fact I wouldn't even recognize their photos of 'Quintessence' or coriacea. Check out the picture of coriacea in Baensch's book, though (p. 120). It's kind of an odd picture in other respects (coloration and form is off), but it does show the unique leaf tips. I think there must be different clones of it, though. The one I have is a little different.

A well-grown 'Debbie' is a great looker! That one continues to be extremely popular with the buying public.

the variegated debbie is nice but hard to beat a well grown "dark grace"
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I don't have a good picture of 'Debbie' showing the upturned leaf tips, Bob, but check out the picture of 'Pink Debbie' in the link. That one has pretty much the same form. This picture of 'Quintessence' shows it better than the FCBS picture:

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Another one that does that is 'Gold Fever', although the leaves aren't nearly as stiff:

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Some other ones will only show it some of the time, like 'Milagro':

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Now, if you'll remember that original picture I posted of Sharon's unnamed hybrid that started this whole discussion, the parents are 'Laura' and 'Milagro'. I talked with her about this and she says that 'Laura' is a cultivar that seems to pass on this characteristic fairly frequently to its offspring, so she uses it quite a bit, in spite of the fact that it's not that spectacular a plant by itself. I don't have a 'Laura' so I can't show you a picture, and we don't really even know what it is. It's an unofficial name given to the plant by another local grower because she was given it by her sister, Laura. It is not registered, and for all we know it may have another perfectly good name, but you've got to call it something, especially when you're using it as a parent. At any rate, if 'Laura' passes on the trait, and 'Milagro' shows a tendency in that direction, then cross the two and you get a double dose:

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Now, if you don't like Neos, you can get the same deal in Vr. 'Nova':

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