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Brugmansia Nectar

17 years ago

On my morning walk, I picked a yellow/orange Brug flower from a neighbor's tree which I've been admiring lately. Walking home, I felt a drop of liquid hit my leg, and, sure enough, further investigation yielded a trail! A trail of liquid, leading from inside the tube to the petal margin. I gathered a bit of the residual liquid from the flower surface, and touched it onto my toungue. It was sweet! And nectary like a honeysuckle, but with a definite brugish tinge. Almost... brugsuckley.

Has anyone else had any run-ins with Brugmansia nectar? Besides observing that insects love it?

Disclaimer: I recognized that there is some amount of risk in what I did, as these plants are notriously poisonous. However, I figured that the chances of there being enough poison in one drop to affect me much was miniscule. And hey, if anything does happen to me, at least then we'll know.

Comments (23)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    That was likely mostly water that collected in the bloom. They don't produce copious amounts of nectar. Besides that since brug blooms are pendulous most anything that collects in the cup runs out. Many of us have had the unpleasant experience of getting brug sap in our eyes though. lol

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    The saying goes:
    "don't talk to strangers" and "don't put anything in your mouth".
    I hope it was water, and I hope you are safe and sound!
    Interesting experiment, though.

    Ingrid.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Ingrid I am with you.

    Karyn is right. Sap in your eye or eyes is HORRIBLE and lasts and lasts. Since it happened to me, I am very careful.

    Longadrink I am not sure if we welcomed you yet...if not..and I believe we did not...I would remember DRINK in a name rofl...

    WELCOME to the forum

    Lucy

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    longandrink

    Your experiment reminded me of what happened to Linda (napdognewfie) last year!

    Mike

    Here is a link that might be useful: I Was Blinded By Brug In The Eye (kinda long)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Well, I tend to ramble on and on to strangers. And chances are, if a thing is growing or cooking nearby, I'm gonna put a sample in my mouth! heheh... I really do have some common sense, but the wonderful plants in my garden are just too tempting!

    Anyways, nothing happened re: nectar tasting, though I am haunted by the deliciousness of it.

    Thanks for the welcome!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    longandrink I sure hope you grow lots of veggies, fruits and herbs roflmao

    Lucy

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Oh shucks! Does this mean it is the end of the "experiment?"
    No reactions to report about?
    Only kidding. Glad you're safe.
    Ingrid.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hey longandrink. Is there actually a longan drink I can buy? I think that longan is very similar to langsat, my daddy's favorite fruit. If there is a drink I would love to get him some. Are you a flip? I think the longan is a thai thing, aint it?
    Anyhow, When I first started researching these brugs, I found a thread where people were talking about the dangers. One of the people said they when he was a kid, him and his sister used to look for brugs in the woods and they would drink the nectar from the flowers all the time. Never suffered any ill affect. When I pull the spent flowers off of mine I see considerable amounts left behind on the pistol. Enough that you could deffinitely get a good taste. I've always been tempted but, never given in. Maybe I'll try it since you survived :)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Jorjaboy, LOL, I loved that:
    "Maybe I'll try it since you survived", hahahaha
    Still laughing!
    Ingrid

    PS this forum is better than any movie I could watch on TV!!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Got to put my 5 cents in.

    We do have *kids* here also and all we EVER DO is telling folks that the Brugmansia ...ALL parts are poisoness.

    Last year TV news talked about kids going around to find brugs to get High.

    I moved my brugs to the backyard. I do not want to be responsible in a kid getting hurt or killed because they do not know what they are doing.

    Trust me I would not mind experimenting around to see if I can get into the halucinating (sp) state the Indians ..Shamans etc did and can do without getting killed...but since I have NO IDEA on how MUCH to use...FORGET IT!!

    Please NO ONE TRY ANY PART of the BRUGS.

    Lucy

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Yes, veggies and herbs are pretty much all I grow. I'd list them all out, but it would take ages. I will say, however, that this was not a good tomato season for me, EXCEPT for a little guy called "white currant", who started producing before all the others, has kept going past all the others, and now sprawls in -literally- a 30 foot circle around the base of the plant! Super yummy, too.

    Anyways, to add to the warnings already present, I'll relate a story from my youth:

    I've known about the 'altering' properties of the poisons in Brugmansia and Datura since the early teens, and have also been aware, through extensive reading, of the inherent danger in attempting ingestion. I was taking a walk with one of my buddies at the time, when we passed a datura patch, and I remarked to him, "Hey, that plant is hallucinogenic." Immediately noting the gleam in his eye, I quickly followed with, "DELERIANT hallucinogenic. As in, people see folks smoking cigarettes with them, and snakes crawling out of the ceilings, and demons chasing them, and they actually believe they are real! And that's the lucky ones. It's very, very easy to die from eating some of this plant, because unless you have access to a laboratory and moderate chemistry experience, it's pretty much impossible to gauge an accurate dose. So no matter how good of an idea it seems, DON'T EAT IT."

    So, of course, about a week later, I get a call from his hysterical mother, who, over the phone, is trying to expel the demons from me, raving about "and you call yourself his friend" and "what sort of evil creature are you?" and "I hope you rot in you cell". I gather, before she hangs up on me, that my friend is in the hospital having his stomach pumped, and is going to live, but had been through quite the ordeal.

    A couple of hours later, two police officers show up on my doorstep, demanding to know where I kept the drugs. I told them I had no idea what they were talking about, they told me about my friend, I showed them the Datura plant, which, sure enough, was missing a limb, and then told them how I had, in no uncertain terms, told my friend how bad of an idea it was to eat it. The policemen looked at each other, told me they'd be in touch with me and my parents, and left.

    So long story short, his parents banned us from seeing each other, and a few days later at school he told me what his parents came home to (he had no memory at all between drinking a datura tea and waking up in the hospital): a car, which was parked inside the garage, was crashed into the closed garage door. All the furniture in the living room was thrown through the living room windows, and stacked in a big heap in the front yard. All of the contents of the fridge were piled on the floor, and they found my friend, conscious and terrified, huddled in a ball inside the fridge, his legs hanging out into the puddle of assorted liquids on the floor. I yelled at him for being a complete idiot and ignoring my repeated warnings.

    So! Moral of the story: Stupid people will do stupid things no matter what they're told or by whom. Trying to censor information certainly isn't going to help; contrarily, a good education is the only thing that can help people who aren't complete idiots. A good strategy is the "out of sight, out of mind" ploy, like Lucy did, moving them to the backyard. And I can echo the warning: DO NOT EAT ANY PART OF BRUGMANSIA OR DATURA PLANTS! My sampling of a drop of nectar was predicated upon my knowledge of botany and chemistry, and knowing the infintesimal chance of seeing any effects.

    I'm going to wind up this novel now. Thanks for reading!

    -chris

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Oh, and jorjaboy - I am 100% american caucasian, but have a soft spot for exotic fruits. Longans are super super yummy, though I acquired the drinks -and the name- long before trying the fruit. Try going to the tiny boutique Asian grocers, and look for longan drinks in a can alongside all the other weird canned drinks they sell. It is delicious.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Chris now THAT is a horror story and I hope ANYBODY ever thinking about trying it out...reads THAT story!Glad your friend was alright though and hopefully learned a life lesson.

    Lucy

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    So in other words, you were pretty sure that nothing would happen to you when you tasted the "nectar", and not even the above horror story made you think twice?

    Ingrid.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I'm still wondering where people are finding all this nectar in their blooms and how has it not spilled out? In the hundreds of plants I've had over the years not one has produced any noticeable amount of nectar, much less copious amounts that can be poured out. About the only thing that I've ever noticed is a bit of morning dew. I'm not saying that they don't just that I've never seen it.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Now when I pick of the spend Datura blooms in late morning after they are done blooming...including the forming seedpod...and I hold them downwards...there is lots of liquid dripping down.

    Just do not ask me WHAT it is lol

    then I never pick the Brug blooms that way because I leave them alone...hoping for seedpods :-)

    Lucy

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Daturas could hold liquid because they are cup shaped and not pendulous so that would make sense.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    yupp that is why I brought it up lol

    Lucy

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Sorry yall, I wasn't serious. I reckon I shoulda threw a disclaimer out there as well. If I were going to taste the nectar, Chris's story would not have been the thing that would have given me the confidence to do it. There's plenty of other sweet stuff out there that I know wont kill me :) I doubt it would hurt but not worth that infinitesimal risk to me. I felt like a dumb ass for allowing my mouth to hang open while I was picking off leaves and had a drop of sap fly in my mouth inadvertantly. I've got my brug kinda out of sight but, it is still accessible. I've been thinking about putting a skull n cross bones on the ground next to mine to serve as a warning in addition to asthetic purposes, haha

    Haha Karyn, I think you are the only one who has mentioned copious amounts of nectar. I said considerable, Chris said a drop and a trail. All of which are pretty subjective terms. As far as the flowers being pendulous, stick a straw in your drink, put your finger over the hole up top and pull the straw out. If that were nectar, would you consider that to be copious amounts? Judging by the size of the void where nectar would be stored, I'm thinking that the flowers could potentially hold (very rough guesstimate) somewhere around .5 cc with the help of a little surface tension. Myself, I have never seen it pour out either. I'm talking about maybe 10 little tiny droplets on each pistol after I pull the flower off(usually in evening so it aint dew). Definitely enough to get a taste though. I'm guessing the quantity that Chris saw is no more than what the rest of us typically see. Maybe by trail what he was describing was several small droplets. Hope that helps. Not trying to be contradictory just trying to help put things into perspective.

    Chris, thanks for the heads up on the drinks. Where did you try the fruit at? If I could get some fruit for my dad he would be very happy. He loves langsat. I aint seen him get so excited as when he was describing that thing to me this summer. He's from the PI. After he told me about it I did some research and IIRC the longan was very similar but more prevelant in Thailand, I think.

    Thanks
    Brandon

    Here is a link that might be useful: If this don't deter the youngins I dont know what will

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    logandrink

    I am picturing you walking along past that Brugmansia plant and wishing it where me walking there.

    Glorius to be close to gorgeous blooming Brugmansia.

    Is it still blooming. Could you give us a photo of the plant.
    I am up here in Canada and it is already beginning to get cooler at night
    Have a few Brugmansia in bloom. I can't resist to go out the back door a few times each evening just to have a sniff of those gorgeous plants in bloom

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Brandon try an Oriental market. I can get longans and lychees for a good part of the year and rambutans for a short time along with lots of other interesting tropical fruit that isn't found in the chain grocery stores. I just recently found quenepas and am addicted. Too bad their season will be over soon. I have never seen langsats available (unless maybe it goes by multiple names?) but once in a blue moon can find fresh mangosteens which are my favorite. They are also very reasonably priced at the ethnic markets.

    Ethnic markets are also a great place to pick up roots and seeds to plant. Taro, malangas, all kinds of things.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Wow! thanks Karyn. I cant believe that you can get all that stuff fresh. I thought there were laws against transporting them to the US. My dad goes to the flip stores in FL and he never sees any there. I'm gonna go check today. I've been interested in trying the mangosteen myself after reading all the hype on the tropical forum

    Thanks
    Brandon

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    About the only fruit I haven't seen fresh here is durian. It's only sold frozen. I can't stand the taste fresh, not to mention the smell so I can just imagine how nasty it is frozen. lol Some fruit just doesn't ship well and won't ripen off the tree. I have a hard time finding good cherimoyas but can get good custard apples. I also can't find a decent guava. Mangosteens are about the most difficult to find fresh at the market. There's a few online tropical fruit suppliers but their prices are way out of line. They wanted $29 plus shipping for 5 or 6 mangosteens!! I pay about $4/lb at the market.