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Red Orange ....... a myth ?

21 years ago

Good evening

i just read thru all the post and couldn't get an answer to my question. I am a big fan of "orange sanguines" ( errr i'm French ) which are orange with red pulp but untill now i did not find any name for these read oranges yet. So i bought myself about 15 kg of red oranges, ate everything, collected the seeds and now they are in plugs germinating (about 50 of them at the moment).

Here's the question , is it a specific a specific variation of a variety or is it a variety on it's own ? Will i ever have my own red orange tree from seeds or they may turn plain orange ?

Thanks for any input

Olichan

Comments (12)

  • 21 years ago

    There are quite a few varieties of "Red" orange. Red Navel (Cara Cara), Moro Blood orange, Sanguinelli Blood Orange and quite a few others. Google blood orange...

  • 21 years ago

    not sure if these are true to type, but there are 3 red types that are available in my area. (also called blood orange or burgundy orange) They are each different in flavor and ripining season.
    There is also a red valincia orange.
    caracara navel is pink for part of it's maturity but can turn back to orange and is temperamental according to zone and amount of heat.

    burgundy oranges I have
    Moro
    Sanguinelli
    Torroco

  • 21 years ago

    Are you kidding us? I have a collection of oranges which are anything else but colored oranges, all are grafted to one tree:

    Vainiglia Sanguigno
    Rohde Red
    Moro
    Tarrocco
    Sanguinelli
    Cara-cara

    plus I am going to add more pigmented oranges to my collection. So far only the Cara-cara, Sanguinelli and Tarrocco I have tasted others have not yet bloomed and fruited, perhaps next years. I liked the Sanguinelli the best so far, it has also caramel like aroma of the flowers. Although Cara-cara is sweeter, it lacks the flavorful punch of the Sanguinelli.

    Of course I have regular and rare oranges on other trees.

  • 21 years ago

    Some pigmented oranges are stable genetic mutations and some of them are bud sport mutations. I have to dig my notes on what's what. I seldom propagate oranges by seedlings so these info doesn't stick to my brain for a long time. Just from recall, I know that Rohde Red and Cara-cara are sport mutations and so may be unstable when you plant the seeds, you may not get them as they are even if the seeds are nucellar. The juvenility phase of the seedlings may cause them to revert back to their original forms. But for sure, most other sanguines are true genetic mutations and could be stable and perhaps are true to type even when grown from seedlings. The Italians and other countries in Europe and mideast have longer history of citrus cultivation, and for sure, blood oranges from those places would be a better candidate for producing true to type sanguines from seedlings.

    Jacques Prevert:

    "La fermeture éclair a glissé sur tes reins
    et tout l'orage heureux de ton corps amoureux
    au beau milieu de l'ombre
    a éclaté soudain
    Et ta robe en tombant sur le parquet ciré n'a pas fait plus de bruit
    qu'une écorce d'orange tombant sur un tapis
    Mais sous nos pieds
    ses petits boutons de nacre craquaient comme des pépins
    Sanguine
    joli fruit
    la pointe de ton sein
    a tracé une nouvelle ligne de chance
    dans le creux de ma main
    Sanguine
    joli fruit

    Soleil de nuit."

  • 21 years ago

    taken from: http://www.soupsong.com/fcitrus.html

    Sanguine
    by Jacques Prevert

    The zipper slid down your back
    and the whole beautiful storm
    of your loving body
    contained in darkness
    suddenly burst out.

    And your dress,
    in falling to the polished floor
    made no more sound
    than an orange peel falling on a carpet.

    But under our feet
    its little pearl buttons crunched like pips.

    Blood orange
    pretty fruit
    the tip of your breast
    drew a new line of fortune
    in the palm of my hand.
    Blood orange
    pretty fruit.

    The sun of the night.

  • 21 years ago

    So nice!

  • 20 years ago

    Beautiful poem!

  • 20 years ago

    When some one says Red Navel, is that a Cara Cara or a different kind? Thanks.

  • 20 years ago

    Some literature refers to Cara-cara as Red Navel or Pink Navel. Recently, I have acquired a Red Valencia orange developed by the University of California Riverside, with a very scientific, academic, internationally acclaimed citrus research facilities. The Red Valencia budwoods was successfully grafted and still dormant, hopefully will sprout this spring and produce fruits within a couple of years.

  • 20 years ago

    joereal,
    Wow all those grafted to one tree! I was wondering if any certain types of those you mentioned were more aggressive than the others? How do you keep them in check, just prune certain ones back so they don't take over? I have just recently been learning how to graft. The only blood I have right now is moro but it sounds like fun to try what you did.
    ~SJN

  • 20 years ago

    Thanks Joereal, I did not want to double up. I have a beautiful Cara Cara.(Thanks to Four Winds) A couple nurseries are offering Red Navel, and it was so tempting. All the info. I gathered led to me believe it was a Cara Cara. I just had to make sure.....Mantis212

  • 20 years ago

    Yes SJN. The way I keep them in check is to graft the less vigorous branches unto the other branches of the more vigorous ones. It keeps the tree well balanced too.

    Here's what I observed so far. Blood oranges and other pigmented navels have vigorous growth on navel stocks. Valencia types of pigmented oranges seem to have less vigor on the pigmented navel stocks.

    The Red Valencia (VI 647) and the Rohde Red Valencias (VI 487) grow vigorously on Washington Navel stock.