Did you get a lot more growth lower on the vine and more stems up from the crown?

hi buyorsell, i always love your blooms in your photos..

to answer your question, a resounding yes for henryii which is a younger plant ( 5 yrs old), and multiblue which was always weedy went from 2 stems to 4 but no growth from crown..

i expected at least ramona to put on a good show but she didn't - just sporadic blooms occasionally throughout the summer (2 blooms out right now)

I must be missing something...I haven't seen buyorsell's pics yet & I do a lot of searching of this site. I am dying to see her pics!

That is a very interesting analysis. I wonder if the older they get the less likely they will grow from the crown? How old is the multiblue?

When I whacked my over five year old Ramona and Henryi they shot up at least ten stems from the crown and put out a hundred blooms. More than all previous years combined. However, this year, they bloomed a lot less.

Thanks for the compliments on my photos. Link to my Clemmie album below.

Here is a link that might be useful: Clematis photos

I hard pruned a couple of my older type 2 clematis this spring also and they bloomed horribly. I got 2 blooms off my Nelly Moser, 6 blooms off of my Marie Boisselet, and about 20 blooms in the spring on my Moonlight, no summer blooms. I won't hard prune them again.

WooHoo!!!! Yes, Yes, Yes!!!! Thank you LeAnne!!!! And you shot low too!!!!

Pangborne Pink is 1 I have been dying to see! I've read your posts about her before. I want her bad & you reconfirmed the pics I've seen. No one has her, but you.

Daniel Deronda looks absolutely amazing with the Magic Carpet Spirea in the foreground! I also love the contrast of old flowers with the new. He needs full sun according to COTW, have you experienced the same?

You have some I have never heard of: Hania, Twilight

I've been wanting durandii from the get go. I've read your posts on Juuli & Arabella & am curious on where durandii falls in your opinion.

There was a post here about the type 1's recently that perked my curiousity about them reblooming. The person that posted was near my zone & had them blooming late. I want to give 1 of them a try & was curious which you would think would be the easiest to grow & which reblooms for you. I know it will be different for me in my zone, but one can always tell which is the most prolific overall.

As much as I love Violet Elizabeth, I will never order her because of your posts & her lack of thriving.

Kimcoco, did you see the pic of Ruutel?

What cultivar is the very last pic that is white with the purple bars? I am finding the back side is just as important as the face & that is gorgeous!

By the way & off topic, what camera do you use?

It must be climate related, I hard prune my type II's all of the time without any decrease in the number of blooms.

Carol

The backside photo is of Daniel Deronda.

Mine gets almost full sun, there are mature trees surrounding my house that do cast some late afternoon shade.

My best blooming integrifolia type is Petite Faucon, then Juuli. Durandii and Arabella don't impress me much. Pangbourne Pink only blooms once too. Alionushka is going to out perform it in it's second year. The blooms are very different though.

None of my alpinas has bloomed again or bloomed late but I did dig up and give away my two oldest (Willy and Rosy O'Grady) and have hard pruned my current ones so they would not have had a chance to rebloom.

Now that I have hard pruned Ramona and Henryi and they've grown many more stems up from the ground, I likely won't hard prune them next year and will get loads of blooms. I got loads the first year but not this year. This year has been weird. I planted them to screen in the first place so hard pruning wasn't something I wanted to do every year.

My experience has been different. Durandii blooms like crazy for me, non-stop from April/May all the way through Nov/Dec. I planted an Arabella last year and it was such a good bloomer, I planted another this year and haven't been disappointed. Petit Faucon is fairly good too, but not as prolific as the other 2 for me. It also doesn't start to bloom until June/July for me.
Maybe it's the climate?

My Arabella and Durandii are both in their second summer from gallon pots and both bloomed less than a dozen blooms, once.

I'm sure climate does play a big part and also the size and age of the plant.

I feel bad about hi-jacking this thread, but I couldn't help myself.

I really want Daniel Deronda now. I searched this site recently on shade tolerant clematis & links to Chalk Hill says it is. COTW says it needs a sunny spot. I'm not sure what to believe. One thing I do believe is that I need to have it. COTW is now looking for pics just like you have...the back face of flowers for easier identification. You really should consider submitting it.

As far as the intregrifolias go, I purchased Petit Falcon & Juuli because of your posts & high recommedations. I purchased Arabella before searching this site & if Juuli & Petit Falcon outdo her I will be very happy! Arabella has been in bloom since I've had her. Both of them being in the ground for the 1st year, I would have to say Arabella has outperformed PF. Believe it or not, Durandii is sold in only 1 nursery locally. I got there to find out (supposedly) they had a bum crop & didn't get any in this year. She had 1 planted in her display gardens & when I was there it was in full bloom. I thought it was spectacular. If I'm not mistaken, the long lost poster Miguel wasn't to impressed with it either. The lady that owned the nursery lied to me about a few things so I wasn't about to trust her on how well Durandii did in this area. Because of Wanda's experience, I'm still going to try him. I also acquired Alionushka this summer & saw just a few blooms on her. I love the flower & hope she excels as well. I think I'll hold off on Pangbourne Pink until I hear further reports. Another that was raved about on this site was Harlow Carr. I bought that 1 in the Chalk Hill sale & hope it proves to be the same I read about.

I did read your posts on Willy & if not mistaken thought the flower color was dull & Rosy O' Grady got powdery mildew? I hope my memory is serving me right. I think I will try just 1 for now & see what happens.

I love to hear that hard pruning old type 2's give you a lot more stems from the roots! So far no issues, but I do have a dog that loves to chase critters & he has broken a lot of my stems already on my new plants. Love him to death, but GEEZ, I can't tell you how much he has cost me in plants since I've had him.

Willy and Rosy O'Grady were both too soft of a pink for me. I prefer brighter colors. Especially early in our springs which are usually very gray and cloudy.

No mildew. Rosy seems to be coming up from what was left of the roots so I've got to dig her up again....

I bought Harlow Carr but haven't figured out where to plant it yet. I've got Fascination sitting in a pot too and a NOID viticella.

I planted Durandii between two rose bushes and thought it would flop into them but instead it flopped all the way to the ground and flowered only at the ends. Juuli flowered along the stems so she had a lot more blooms and so did Petite Faucon.

I LOVE the shape of ROG's flowers! It is really pale in color & I can really appreciate having a lot brighter blooms to go along with your weather. Do you ever find that depressing? I find our springs here to be very depressing. We almost omit them altogether...winter right into summer. Huge rollercoaster ride of emotion when we go from 1 day of 60+ to below 32F. That is what worries me about trying 1. The other poster said it bloomed so late & I wonder if that is why. If that be the scenario, I can almost guarantee I wouldn't get rebloom. This species doesn't seem to be as popular as the rest so it's hard to find a lot of feed back on them. Like I said before, I'll try 1 & see what happens.

I LOVE Fascination too! A rather newer cultivar that looks very similiar to Rooguchi, hopefully without the powdery mildew issue. I haven't read any reports on powdery mildew on that one, have you? I saw a pic of Rooguchi & loved it so much that it started the intregrifolia craze for me, especially reading about the bloom season. Ironically, that is 1 I still don't have. I wish all clems bloomed as much! Do you still have your Rooguchi? How do you compare the flowers with Fascination? It is so hard to tell from just pics I see, but from what I can tell is that they are a bit smaller & a darker purple. If Fascination comes in with excellent reviews, I will omit Rooguchi altogether.

I'm lucky in the sense I had zero perennials in my yard til this year, all trees & shrubs (& lots of them!) Thought that is all I wanted until I started getting bored with just pruning & wanted more to fuss with. I have a lot of room to add as many intregrifolias as I see fit. After researching the longest blooming perennials & found out about the intregrifolias... I've also have been adding daylilies, bloom @45 days. That is a whole other addiction. I'm afraid my yard may end up turning into a very monotonous landscape, oh well. Maybe you could part with something you are bored with to make room & sell it on ebay or give it to a friend? After seeing how beautiful your yard is, it is easier said than done!

Durandii didn't flop the way you wanted to even after resting them on the roses? Someone reported on this site that Durandii's stems were really stiff & can almost visualize as them falling where THEY see fit. The 1 I saw was growing into an obelisk & I wasn't about to dare go up & test the stems. That is good to know because most of mine are growing like ground covers or flopping onto shrubs. Durandii will have to be set up on it's own. Since the 1 I saw was up an obelisk, I wonder if them laying on the ground makes a difference?

My Durandii is shares an obelisk with a miniature (HA HA...since when is 8' miniature?) tea rose. The stems are stiff and it does seem to have a mind of it's own, but I just tucked it back in where I wanted it. I also pinch the heck out of it when it begins growth and selectively prune back branches here and there. The plant is now about 10 years old

Yes, I get depressed by the weather. Very. Frankly, I hate it. If I wasn't married I'd move back to Phoenix in a heartbeat. I am a native of Oregon and have lived here most of my life but my fifteen years of living in Phoenix ruined my tolerance for rainy gray days.

Durandii is very stiff. I think it needs an obelisk so it can grow straight up. I read in a book that it flopped nicely between plants but it doesn't.

I've had Fascination in a pot and no mildew so far.

Look on my website under My Travels and then Oregon then Gail Austin Garden, she has hundreds of daylilies and clematis. I was there to photograph clems and the daylilies aren't all in bloom but I think you can see that she has a lot and her yard is gorgeous. Sadly, I missed the open garden day this year.

I hear you, I lived in Florida for 6 yrs & it felt like every day was being on vacation. The heat never, ever bothered me.

My brother moved to Gilbert, AZ. a couple years ago. They absolutely love it. I went out there for vacation 2 yrs ago in May. All I packed were shorts & I thought it was cold! The lack of humidity really makes a huge difference. In the local newspaper they had a section on gardening there & said the plants need to be pretty tough to withstand the drastic temp changes from day to night. I did hit a few nurseries while I was there & only reconized a couple of plants...purpleleaf sandcherry being 1. Where doesn't that disease ridden thing not grow? Hope I'm not offending anyone on that.

There is a poster over on the daylily forum that lives in your area. She was talking about having to garden in a coat over this last weekend. Quite cute! She posted a pic of her front yard with Mt. Granier as part of her view! Everyone was amazed. There is good & bad to every place I guess.

Gail Austin's garden is SPECTACULAR! Maybe one day...

Yippee, I knew if I looked long enough I'd find the info I was looking for! Thanks to you buyorsell888 and your link to the beautiful Clematis photos, I was able to identify mine!! Now I hope all of you can help me with a question. I have a Daniel Deronda and Richard Pennell that are getting so big they are pulling down the latice work I have them climbing. I want to reinforce the latice but I think it's going to end up damaging the vines to do it. My question is can I safely cut them off and start over? I'd hate to lose the beautiful abundace of blooms they've been giving me for the last 5 years, I've never cut them back. I live in zone 4-5 southeast of the Toledo, Ohio area. Is now the right time to cut them back? I think these bloom on new wood, is that right? I'm so scared to cut them but if it will be good for them overall then I guess I'll have to be brave!! Any advice you all can give me will be GREATLY appreciated! Happy gardening!!

Sure you can trim them back to reinforce the structure they are climbing on but I would wait and do it in late winter when the plants are dormant. The blooms you get next year will be delayed due to the pruning, but they will bloom later in the year. For the last two years, all of my type IIs have been treated as type IIIs and pruned severely in the winter and they have still bloomed for me. Whether you will have the same results depends on the length of your growing season but even if they are put back by the procedure, it will only be for a year. All types of clematis should be treated as type IIIs the first year or two in the ground so that they develop strong root systems.

I'm a bit late to contribute to the primary topic of this thread, but I've read the comments regarding climate and the inclination of type II's to bloom or not given hard pruning. My climate is not that different from either BorS or flowerfan's (same general vicinity) and might even be a bit more mild (less summer heat), given my proximity to the Sound. I hard prune all my type II's - laziness on my part, as I've too many clematis and too little time to differentiate when it comes to pruning chores :-) All bloom profusely for me, although somewhat later in the season than if they had not received this treatment. In fact, I hard pruned Belle of Woking a second time sometime in July as I had construction done on a new fence and her support had to be removed. She produced a very nice rebloom and actually just finished up for the season.

I don't think colder zones have a long enough growing season to enjoy a second bloom on type 2's by hardpruning them

Whether the type IIs will rebloom or not for people in the colder zones after being cut back hard is variable and the only way to know for sure is to give it a go. I know a few years ago I collected data from various people on this forum and I had one person (Cindy T) that was able to get reblooms on a two year old Silver Moon plant in zone 4/5 ME after cutting it back to 18 inches after it had finished blooming. You won't know if you don't try!!!

Unless I was misreading the posts, it seemed like the issue was not about obtaining a rebloom on hardpruned type II's but even any significant first bloom. In particular, both BorS and flowerfan, who live in warmer but rather mild zones, reported insignificant flowering on these vines that were hardpruned. And the OP as well, who should have had at least a initial bloom flush.

As stated, I tend to hard prune most of my clems - at least those that need annual pruning. And while I sometimes don't get a rebloom on my hard pruned type II's, I always get a pretty impressive if slightly delayed initial bloom season from these vines. Why this procedure doesn't offer similar results to others in similar climates is a bit of mystery to me and I have no good answers.

FWIW, my wholesale nursery cuts back their potted clematis on a fairly routine basis, just for management purposes (if you've ever seen an entire growing field of 1000's of tangled and intertwined clematis vines, you'd understand :-)). Almost without exception the type II's will rebloom and even some of the type I's - type III's are a given. So I'm not sure if establishment or maturity of the vine plays a large role. It must be climate and summer warmth that ripens the new growth rapidly but that just makes the previous results from several posters even more confusing.

I had a good experience with hard pruning type II's. Except for a few frustrating ones that keep only putting out one stem no matter how many times I've cut it down and pinched, hard pruning as been a very good thing for my type II's and my type I's as well.

Gardengal, when do you prune your Clems? Now or in early spring?

Dig up those one-stemmed type II's and bury deeper.

BorS, the answer to your question is yes :-) Seriously, while I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for anyone else, I prune whenever the mood and the timing coordinate. You know that old gardening saying about the proper time to prune is when you have the pruners in your hand?.......well, that's me! Generally, most of my established, inground clematis get pruned sometime in late winter, around rose pruning time. But sometimes earlier also, like about now, and sometimes quite a bit later. And sometimes not at all. It depends entirely on my schedule and also what the weather is doing - I am a fair weather gardener and will not garden in the rain and in our climate, you realize how limiting a factor that can be :-)

I do tend to my still-in-nursery-pots clematis in fall. There always seems to be an assortment (often a big assortment) that didn't get planted and these get cut back now and often, repotted to a larger container. I only have a couple of the patio type clems growing in permanent containers and these get attended to in early spring when I organize my patio and its collection of containers for the season.

Not a very straightforward answer, was it ?? :-)

The one stem Clematis were planted 4" deep two years ago and I set them in on an angle and have used alfalfa meal on them and they are mulched too. Still only one stem on Twilight, Arctic Queen, Crystal Fountain, John Warren and Charissima. I hard pruned in Feb and pinched several times and then hard pruned Arctic Queen and Twilight again in September because they had mildew.

Gardengal, I don't garden in the rain either. Which is why I spend so much time talking about it online ;)

I did prune my potted clems that haven't been planted yet, well those that needed it. I finally planted "your" Alba Luxurians in the quart pot from Fred Meyer. :) to grow on the boxwood hedge. I hope it will climb it without me having to crawl back there and guide it much. Once it gets to the top it has twenty feet of surface area in full sun.

I have previously done my major Clematis pruning when I did the roses but on some of them I hate to see bare stems all winter but I'm afraid if I prune them hard now they'll start growing again.

I do have some blooming right now. Piluu, Daniel Deronda, Multi-Blue just finished.

I replanted and buried one of my clematis deeper at least three times. Now is has many shoots.