Well karen Thats the guy filthyrich 5 for 25.00, but we don't have to wait. In a bit a few more will chime in and we will know for sure. So far it is a ney for serration of those varieties. Cherub even looks as though it might be serrated.

SO FAR

I have 3 that are not Serrated and they are Painted Lady, Pink Perfection, and Daydreams.

3 that are serrated - Candida Dbl White, Wretched Mess, Dbl. Creamcicle

cherub I am not sure yet.

what are others finding?, lets get a consensus.

The ones I am sure about have mature leaves, some, I know start wavy, and get smooth.

Believe me if these are wrong, I don't think it is a mistake!!

This guy does not respond to e-mails and that disturbs me. He talked to me about his plans, and he never followed through. I have not e-mailed him on this issue yet, I want to get a consensus, to be sure.

Actually - are you sure they're serrated? Not questioning whether you know the difference - I'm asking if the leaves are mature enough - are they definately serrated?

The one in my green room that wouldn't go to sleep? It didn't have serrated leaves - so I assumed it was one of my jerky whites - I was wrong. It's one of my monster noid yellows. Every one of my leaves on it right now are smooth. And I can assure you, those are deeply serrated in the summer.

That's why I thought it was one of my whites. Blooms were emerging white (which my yellows in the summer don't do). But every one of those blooms are now goldy yellow. (And smell wonderful) so I know it's one of my yellows.

Give them a little more time to grow - see what happens.

Dr. Seuss! Poor thing! It got shoved into the corner of the old garage when the guys were here sheet rocking!

He's been in the freezing unheated garage since October! Oh that poor thing! I moved him into the green room and gave him some tepid water. . .

Humidity is high in there right now - temp is around 75 - oh man - that poor little thing.

Well, we'll see if he makes it. I'm glad I've got a cutting in case he doesn't.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. . . . .

HERE ARE some images so you all can judge for yourselves.

Candida Dbl. White

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Dbl. Creamcicle

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Poor little thing. My Dr. Seuss cutting is one that hubby confiscated for himself. Hang on to that cutting if you don't need it later I might, lol. I hope he doesn't feed them coffee, lol.

Barry, Candida Double White also has fuzzy leaves...

F4F - LOL. . . .no - ewwwwwww - feed them coffee? Of course, there's my MOM who thinks Brugs need MILK. . .jeez still can't believe she did that.

She was bragging how good they looked after that.

LOL. . .I let her think it. I had taken all of them for a swim with me in the lake after she told me she did it. I never told her. We all went totally under water and rinsed it all out of the pots so they wouldn't STINK.

Ox - I have a double white - the leaves are like felt. When I spritz with water - they have beads of water all over them. Very fuzzy.

Think I bought 'em from Trigger. The double peach, the double white, and the HG.

so now we know that the cutting Candida dbl white is not a Candida Dbl white!!! I am pissed!!!! what to do?

I just looked at my shredded white from another seller and the leaves look kind of serrated on it too. Dweeb, he once had an office plant he swore lived on nothing but coffee. I caught him giving it to my mums outside the shop. No wonder they look terrible.

Barry my cuttings haven't leafed out yet so I couldn't tell you. He did send me an email the other day asking if I was going to leave feedback. I told him that I'd check but think that I already had. He'd also sent me an email a week or two ago apologizing for taking so long getting my cuttings out and that he'd mail them in the next day or two. I told him that I'd already received my cuttings. He did seem a bit confused, I just hope he's not a liar. Your leaves do look serrated to me. I'm trying to be the optimist here and say that hopefully those blooms will prove to be a double white of some kind and the plant was misnamed which happens so often. People see a flower and it looks just like brug X so that's what they call it. Some do it innocently enough and others do it but know better. I'll be interested to see what these cuttings end up looking like. At least I know my Daydreams and Wretched Mess are correctly ID'd because I was there when the cuttings were taken and the plants were in bloom.
Karyn

well karen if he labeleds them as he sees fit that is not right. A seller who claims it is Candida dbl white should know that it is so. No guessing.
what double white is there with serrated leaves?

Karyn - I'm not sure if mine is a Candida Double White. It just said a "double white" - kind of a noid.

That's why I was interested. If it was a Noid and hardy - and a double - that's ok with me. It doesn't need a fancy pedigree for me. Just has to be able to survive me. (grin)

It's got very fuzzy leaves. Exceptionally fuzzy leaves. Probably in that family. I'd need to check the receipt - see if it's any more specific.

The Knightii doesn't appear to have fuzzy leaves. And there's a pic at http://www.junglegardens.co.uk that looks like this plant has a serrated leaf. It's a Candida double white.

Here is a link that might be useful: Knightii

Fooey - ABADS double white gallery is down right now.

Can't look and see. Was wondering what kind mine was now - since there are some wonderful differences out there.

Strange. Some Sites specifically talk about the Candida Double white having greyish hairy leaves and that's what "distinguishes it from others".

Other sites show a different plant - and the leaves aren't fuzzy. Some do look on the edge of serrated.

Oh well - so much for that.

Maybe someone who is more familiar can chime in and specify which is which.

dweeb said: "The Knightii doesn't appear to have fuzzy leaves. And there's a pic at http://www.junglegardens.co.uk that looks like this plant has a serrated leaf. It's a Candida double white."

I didnt see the candida at the site. can you give me a more specific link?

Scroll down - little over half way.

Brugmansia Knightii - it's in the description.

The picture of the Knightii has a couple of leaves in it that look serrated - and others that don't look serrated.

Might be your plant is that young. Note the new leaf behind the bloom? It looks serrated. Some of the older leaves just have some waves. According to the ABADs stuff - they can be smooth or serrated. (Or was that BGI - can't remember now.)

You've probably got the real deal. Your plant may just be young, that's all.

Have you tried ABAD's double white gallery yet? Is it up yet?

Maybe that will help you more identify what you've got. I can't tell with all the wierd information out there from one place or another.

You could try to email them ABADs or BGI and ask them for their expert advice. See what they say.

I have Knightii and Cherub.. Niether of mine have serrated leaves...I have no clue about WM or the Candida...
I hope the guy is striagt up.. He also sent me a note yesterday to leave a postive.. I had left it on the 29th of Nov..
Kylie

from my limited experience, if fuzzy, then they show up by the time they reach the size in my pictures. My knightii, and double peach have fuzzy leaves. Double peach looks serrated, while Knightii is not.
These are as developed as the Candida.
FWIW

Was just checkin in to see if this is all figured out yet. Oxy, I hope this all works out for ya..I don't know enough about these beauties to really give any advice here, but I was also wondering if maybe it's just cuz they are young..perhaps the leaves will change as they get bigger? Maybe if he did indeed send the wrong ones..maybe they are something totally spectacular! Try n look on the bright side!! :) I really hope this works out one way or another and you wind up happy!
Daniella

You do have 3 months to leave feedback on eBay, just save the link they send to your email about your winning the item and connect to the page through it. I have eBay.ca and they won't let us leave feedback after the 1st monthe through our own eBay Summary page. I have to do it through the email after that.

Already left good feedback a while back.
Ok I am absolutely sure, throught all the input and some research, common sense, that the following cuttings are not true:

1)Candida DBl White
2)Dbl. Creamsickle
......................................
a)I will be writing him for a response but expect none.
Next step ... b)wait to get verification from others here,
and then next, c) got to Ebay Authorities.


Any input here is welcome, I know some of you think I am jumping the gun, but I want to get a handle on this early so others can see if the same thing is occurring to them.
We all spent money on this and it isn't right if we get cheated.

I'm going to give you my input but I'll warn you up front, you may not like it... IF this guy was intentionally cheating you guys, he probably knew what he was doing money-wize... If the item was $24.99 (might be $25.00 not sure now) or below then you aren't getting squat back from ebay because that's their policy. They will only refund for "items not received or significantly not as described" if it's over the $25. So, let's say that you bought 2 of these collections from the same guy. Doesn't matter, because each auction or buy it now was $24.99. I went through this several years ago with 1 seller and 2 items not received from him. Both items together totaled around $40-$45, but each individually was under $25. I got nothing back. So the big question might be what EXACTLY did you pay for 1 collection? And of course, this policy may have changed since I went through it so I'd try it anyway. If you paid through Paypal with a credit card, then you may be able to go back to your card co. and get your $'s back through them. That'd be the best bet.

I certainly wouldn't let it ruin your Christmas or dampen your spirits. Chalk it up to a bad experience. Yes, I know that's easy for me to say because I'm not out the $'s and you are.. But, maybe from now on, buy from people that are recommended here, or if you see people that post here selling cuttings then I doubt you'd have any problems. Give the guy a chance to answer, if it doesn't happen, post over at the "rate & review vendors" forum and also over at the gardenwatchdog.

Understood and thanks wildflower
will wait till after the holidays to respond, people over at BGI concur, so far. I posted the images there.

I will get this guy ......
not so much the $$ heck I have lost more gambling at the casino. this was a small gamble. just cant let this guy get away with it. If I have to send e-mails everyday..... whatever it takes, but I will have a good holiday.

Barry I don't think it's worth getting worked up over. You can cause more damage by not buying from him again and letting everyone know what happened. Many of us made the same purchase and if these turn out not to be what was advertized we won't buy from him again, so he's potentially lost quite a bit in return customers. Besides that I'm a firm believer in "what goes around, comes around". It will be interesting to see what the blooms on these cuttings look like. At least they are really nice healthy looking cuttings. Have a wonderful Christmas.
Karyn

The power of the forums is almighty when it come to return business and they have said. If he did rip you off on purpose then none of us will buy from him again and he will have lost good business. By the way topcat emailed me tonight and apologized for not getting back with me sooner and is going to replace my whiskers cuttings. I told him after the holidays are over would be fine. I know he had a good rep and would make good on them. The others were fine so something must have happened to the Whiskers cuttings I assume. Have a great Christmas and dont let this stress you. Enjoy you holiday and chill out. Merry Christmas!

I wouldn't spend too much time on it.

As others have said. A few words here or there on this or that forum - he'll either feel awful and make it right or will see a marked drop off in interest in the things he sells.

I've had wonderful experiences with tctopcat, blicon, triggerm, and I like the funkies 7servant7 has. My losses weren't his fault. My learning curve came too late for some of the funkies I bought from him.

TriggerM sends just amazing large plants. And from what I gather, mine is a Candida Double white. Fuzzy leaves - etc. No other fancy name.

And all three plants are wonderful!

It's one of those "live and learn" things.

I know you all are urging me let it go, in the Spirit of Christmas. I can wait, and I will be patient up to a point. Sometime there is a right thing to do, however.

BGI's President , I think. Her name is Brenda, she is 100% sure these plants are wrong. She is behind me. Dweeb Sure, I am not dwelling on it, but I WILL deal with this guy. I will begin to mention his name and the treads and links get bigger, then any search for his name will bring the bad press. There are ways to get him to make amends.
Yes Karen what goes around comes around, and this guy should get his just deserts. I am going to call him. As a customer, Ebay and Paypal provide the number. I will be polite enough to wait till after Christmas.

On the oft chance he is old and senile, we wait. After the holidays I will start a campaign. It is the right thing to do, if he is unresponsive. I gave him at least 5 customers. It is unconscionable that he could treat us this way, assuming he did this with foreknowledge.

Filthyrich is the culprit so far, until I hear otherwise. so far no response. We will see.

From what I've bought on Ebay I like Blicon and TriggerM and Eddiewayne's brugs best.
Karyn

I'm also of the belief... you reep what you sow!!!
It will come around...I will be very unhappy if I didn't get what I paid for .. BUT such is life...LOL Lesson learned.. Appriciate the good things you have going on.. BTW your plants look Beautiful...
Kylie

Never hesitate to order from: Blicon or TriggerM or 1critter4u. Always good cuttings ... healthy and viable. Always dependable. Gloria

yeh thanks all ........ I won't hold a grudge, Not letting revenge get me... I wont hold it so it makes me ill. just Take Take of Business..

BTW yes my plants have an affinity for me, always have.... perhaps I bought 5 CG or DR. Seuss that will take over the garden with 400+ blooms each from Filthyrich

thats supposed to read TCB Take Cate of Business

arrggggg. Care ~~> Care, that is
Aw shucks read between the lines :)

Barry

Too many rum balls this morning?? :)

Mike

lol What tyme is itt?? Where the letr c? R? whered that k c'm frmmm...

lol@barry! I've already had about 15 of the darn things myself! I wonder how many one has to eat to really FEEL the effects? :) Merry Christmas!

Mike

Rum balls, hey I want some, lol. Just leave out the ball part. I am so tired but it was a nice day with the kids (Johns sons). I made each of them their favorites and it was quited meal for the 4 of us. I wish my kids could have come down too. They will come for Easter instead. I have gotten some nice things from 7servant7 speaking of ebay sellers and he is close enough to get really fast shipping for me.

Wretched Mess is one of my hybrids and I can say for certain that it never has serrated leaves.Even the imature leaves are smooth edged.There are pictures on the countrygdn website on the last catalog page.
That said,give the seller a chance to make good.Everyone makes mistakes but the honest sellers will always correct their mistakes.

Thanks gone2seed I really appreciate your input, as this nails the coffin of filthyrich, an unscrupulous seller on E-bay. it now appears, since I now have Three bougus cutting for sure. Wretched mess added to the list.

Barry have you contacted Filthyrich yet? If so what did he/she say?
Karyn

no damn answer. I will give him a week, write another and then go to Paypal and fill out a dispute. I told him to explain his mistake or I would escalate the matter.

Gonetoseed. How does Wretched Mess hold up in the heat? That is one cool looking brug.

fool4flowers,WM was first raised in Floridas heat and humidity then trialed around the us including south Texas.She is a good performer both places.She does demand lots of fertilizer and some afternoon shade for best performance.

Ya know what?

I have some species cuttings - they're sprouting - the leaves are fuzzy - that's possible they lose the fuzz when the leaves get older - but - the LEAVES are MARBLED.

They're tiny right now but I noticed - they are looking like they're variegated! Not sure but I don't think Species is variegated.

But it looks pretty cool though! LOL. . .we'll see if it's just the enviornment, i.e. food, water, light that's causing it.

WM is a very interesting looking Brug. So it likes heat and humidity? That's good to know. From what I understand - so does the Candida double white.

Apparently my C-DW is pretty happy - it just "Y"ed - oh boy - which means it's gonna want fooooooooooooood to keep going.

WM is one that I recieved as well.. Hasn't leafed out well enough to tell.. Good Job on this hybrid G2S she is a Beauty!!
Kylie

Ok - my goof. The Species does have fuzzy leaves - but not variegated. Hmmmmm - this will be cool to see. both cuttings are doing it.

I'm still eyeballing the shredded pink on valley grow. (grin) Imagine that one next to a WM at the front door.

What a show stopper those two would be. They're both so pretty.