VALLEY OF THE DAYLILIES has lots of older varieties. I've never bought from them, so I don't know if the plants are good, so maybe someone else will chime in.

http://www.thevalleyofthedaylilies.com/HistoricDaylilies.html

Dani

Have you tried the HIPS site? They have historical iris. www.hips-roots.com

I have bought flowers on site and through the mail from Valley of the Daylilies and have never had a problem with them. I would definately shop there again-and would love to go visit again. Sometimes he even sells his 'reject' seedlings-and they are nicer than things you'd find in a box store.

Thanks! I'll take a look and see if I can find what I need.

Unfortunately many of the older varieties are no longer easy to find. I was looking for Harry Hamblin hybrids a few years ago because he did a lot of work with H. altissima, almost all of his intros were 6 feet tall or better with a lot of late bloomers. I was never able to find a single one of them. I did repeat some of the same crosses.

Of the 3 you listed above your best chance is for the Munson. There are a number of people that keep and sell Historics, you just need to look for them. Valley of the Daylilys is one of them. I have ordered from Dan a few times, the plants are always nice, and usually there is an extra fan or two. He is a hint when ordering from him, let hm pick your Bonus plants, he will usually send his intros, and I have never been disappointed in them. They are some of my favorites.

I collect Munsons and have never seen Natasha offered. Munson at times did not release variaties that he registered.

Valley of the Daylilies is one of the best places to order from. Dan sends clumps, healthy and with terrific roots.

He doesn't have any of the ones I want.

I'm guessing this is a lost cause because I haven't found a single one I want. That's ok though, I knew it would be a long shot.

is it specific character traits you want in these older cultivators or is it the name?

I would suggest doing your own hybridizing program after a few years you might have some you wish to keep and register after the full names of the people you want this for..

Specifically for non release purposes , the only thing you are probably looking for is vigor, a nice face and some garden presence. It doesn't have to compete with the big boys.. Just that you are satisfied that they are keepers to stay around and increase in your garden..

Silverkelt

Contact Cheryl at

http://www.rainbowreflectionsdaylilies.com/

She has alot of Munsons which interested her as her maiden name was Munson. Sweet Girl and she will help you in your quest for the Munson. She actually has more than I do. I think Hoot Owl Nurseries has Natasha listed BUT if I remember right and I may be wrong but she had a not so good experience with them. She will be straight with you!!

Because I have collected Munsons for a long time I am skeptical if it is the actual cv. BUT I may be wrong.

Silverkelt, it is just the name that I'm after. I'm afraid I'm terrible with seeds, but I may have to give that a shot. Would be nice to let the people they would be named after pick which plant they want.

I'll check on Rainbow Reflections as well. Thanks!

Gosh , its easy to start them.. its the getting really good keepers that are hard.. but again, you might not be looking to really compete,(neither am I with the big boys, I just have a florist that wants to buy some from time to time, so there are traits i Look for) but just be all around good daylilies.. this way they are not 40 year old cultivators either.

You can still start seeds now, just pick a few crosses on lily auction.

I would suggest sellers like Rich, scooter or markamand, they are still selling some, scooter had some nice crosses in the ten dollar range still.

You just get them, soak them in some peroxide water mix (just make a half gallon jug of water and put a couple of capfuls of peroxide in, nothing too much.

Wait till they germinate, put some potting mix (promix rocks) in some 20 oz cups and put them on the windowsill. If you are doing a limited amount thats fine. I do about 500 a year under lights, but you dont have to start out with that many.. some people here do thousands a year..

There IS NOTHING like seeing your own baby explode with bloom.

Silverkelt

Bloomingfields Farm, I think in Connecticut, has a few oldies and lists them under extra early, early, etc. all the .way to extra late. I haven't ordered daylilies by mail in decades, I just raise my own from seed from older varieties, sometimes I buy one or two in the Spring from big stores but you can't seem to find the old ones like Red Magic or Fall Red anymore, I try to hunt down a later variety in bloom to pollinate an early like Orangeman as you get June bloomers from earlyXlate crosses. I plant the seeds right out in the garden, sometimes in the Fall, (I just found a whole row of H rosea X heaven knows popping up that I planted on November 29---I guess my hands got cold because I planted them too thickly. Not a good plan-now I am going to have to dig them all up and line them out--somewhere) I used to plant them right in the ground when I got to it which could be any time from April to August. Yes the Aug planted ones survived. ( I almost didn't that year--had a cardiac event and two angioplasties, didn't get to the seeds until late summer, but they grew.) Still having fun if even crazier.--------Weedy