Yes, we've grown 'Iceberg' - parent of a lot of great roses, used extensively by David Austen... No particular fragrance, unfortunately. For us, in order for it to winter over well, it needed the same protection as hybrid teas/grandifloras/floribundas. It did manage to barely suvive, as a mere shadow of its former self, for a year or two without protection though.

They have 2 Morden Cardinette at the Safeway here in town. I was very tempted to get one but they are sooooo small! I was really worried that they might not be strong enough to survive my winters even with tons of mulch. I might go back and get one, but I am a bit leery.

I went to WalMart just for the heck of it to see what they had for roses...well needless to say I didn't buy any. They look healthy and are only $3.97, but the super hardy sub-zero roses they are selling all came from Texas...somehow I don't think sub-zero Texas is the same as sub-zero Manitoba! Does it matter that they came from Texas?

I did a good inspection on my rose garden this morning, the own root roses that I had ordered from Corn Hill Nursery last year are doing well, infact all my roses have done well from the winter, a little winterkill on some branches but thatÂs common around here.

Agnes
Blanc Double De Coubert
Dr. Merkeley Rose
Linda Campell
Marie Victoran
Mrs. John McNab
Nicholas
Pierette Pavement
Quadra
Snow Pavement

Sharon

I think it matters that they came from Texas. All you know for sure is that they were propogated in Texas. Big Box stores are notorious for sending standard plant shipments to all their stores....no matter where they are located. Manitoba or Alabama, all get the same plants. So....unless you recognize the variety as hardy in the cold zones, assume it isn't.
As for the small Mordens at Safeway...I sure would be tempted to give them a try.
Jan

I don't think it would make a difference where they were propagated, as long as they really are a cultivar that is super hardy, they SHOULD be genetically identical to the ones grown here. I see what you mean though that super hardy in Texas might mean like -2 degrees one day a year.
However, one thing that could be different on the same cultivar is the rootstock; I understand nurseries favour different rootstocks in different climates.

On a different note, I have ordered 4 own-root roses from a nursery in BC - Old Rose Nursery - and was wondering if anyone has any experience with them. They aren't cheap but sell all own-roots shipped by bus in pots. I ordered Autumn Sunset, New Dawn, rosa gallica versicolour, and an Alba called Mme. Plantier. So excited!!

North Spruce, I have not ordered from Old Rose Nursery yet, but I did order some own-root roses from Cedar Hollow Rose Farm in BC this year. I just got them in yesterday and was so impressed of the size of healthy roses they sent. They too ship in 4.5" and 1 gallon pots that can be delivered Express Post. I wrote Lynn the owner an email to thank her and to let her know that I will definitely be ordering again next year.

Another good nursery that I have ordered twice now from and that sells own-root roses is Cornhill Nursery in NB, however they send their plants bareroot, not in pots, however they too are good quality, healthy sized plants.
http://www.cornhillnursery.com

Both nurseries have great price!

Sharon

Here is a link that might be useful: Cedar Hollow Rose Farm

My Morden sunrise was my favorite rose last summer it bloomed and bloomed right till frost. It has come back healthy this spring with no winter protection. I also loved my Winnipeg Park rose.

Hello Northspruce,
Ordered from Old Rose Nursery some years ago, 10 Scabrosa for a hedge. The pots arrived in good order. The plants were a bit small, had to fill out the hedge with petunias for a couple of years. Doing fine now. Only issue I had was that he wanted to ship too early. I had to keep telling him to hold off. I think that was one of these years when people set out bedding plants three times due to frost.

Tova- Scabrosa is good for shade that is why I got them. Lois Hole recommends Red Rugosa as very shade tolerant.

The other roses I have are
John Cabot
White Rugosa
Rosraie de LÂHay
A native wild rose in an uncultivated area, likely R. acicularis or woodsii.

They are all looking healthy with no significant die back. White Rugosa is always a bit slow to leaf out. ThatÂs not necessarily bad in this area.
Ian

Thanks for the info about the nursery. I'm sure it will be fine, I was actually planning on ordering a few more Mme Plantiers next year if all goes well because I am creating a hedge. Here's the first half of it (hope this works, I'm new to it) it's Harisson's Yellow:

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So the white is going at the right side. This, by the way Tova, is another good one for shade, it used to have a tree above it and it was fine there. It's getting a bit unruly out in the full sun now that I cut the tree down! :)

WOW! Harisson's Yellow is definitely on my wish list!

Ian and Northspruce,

Thanks for the info. That Harrisons Yellow is gorgeous.
BTW I have a cutting from my neighbours yellow rose. I'm not sure but think its it Harrisons Yellow. Hers is beautiful with a big flush of blooms in June. Does that sound like Harrisons Yellow?

Tova

Yup, it could be. Mine blooms in June. Alas, only once. (There it goes off everyone's wish list) Anyone want some, come on over with a shovel & bucket! LOL It spreads slowly via suckers - not out of control but makes a couple of new ones each year. At the right side of the pic you can see a couple of shorter guys heading out across the lawn. Hope it doesn't eat up my Alba when she arrives!

I bought a couple of Roses from Walmart today. Own root, Morden Blush and Royal Edward, only 6.97 each. These two were the healthiest looking out of the bunch. I couldnÂt believe my eyes when I seen pots and pots piled on top of one another, crushed branches and some were bone dry, all those roses tucked in so tightly with no sun! What a shame!

Great pictures of rose's. The one I'm wondering about is F.J. Grootensdorst. Does anyone grow this rose. I need some information on it. I wish to grow this on a south facing wall. What I've read about it sounds really great. Not only because it is a constant bloom but because it's supposedly tough as nails, and will make it through our winters. If anyone can help me I would really appreciate it.
Carole

I have grown F.J. Grootensdorst for many years. It has been subject to serious neglect but still performed well. It is tough as nails. I can't say it is anywhere near my favorite rose...but perhaps if I paid more attention to pruning, etc, I would be more pleased with it. Most years it does suffer some winter die back but that is not unusual for roses. It does have very attractive blooms.
Jan

I just came home from Canadian Tire with a John Franklyn and a Golden Wings as I read they do OK in partial shade. Golden Wings was also recommended for planting in a mixed border.

Does anyone here grow them? Are you happy with them?

Tova

Jan
Thanks for the info on the grootendorst rose. I plan on putting it on a chainlink fence and I'mgoing to try espalliering (spelling?) it. It will be in some shade so I hope it will be o.k. I hope this way it will produce tonnes of flowers . I planted 2 alchemyst roses last year and I only see 1 coming along. All other roses that I have are hardier they are all coming along nicely. The are John Cabot(in my opiom the best rose for our climate),William Baffin, J.P.Connel, Champlain, Praire Joy, Frontenac and Morden's Blush.
Carole

I think espalliering Grootendorst is an excellent idea. Why didn't I think of that? It tends to take on a poor form if left to its own devices.
Jan

I just got 'The Fairy' Rose from Walmart yesterday for $5. It came in a "body bag." Now what do I do with it?

Can I plant it outside before the average last frost date (May 30)? Should I store it in the garage which does not freeze? Should I pour a bit of water in the bag?

Thanks,
Sharon

Was the rose outside at Walmart? Or in the store, or a greenhouse? If it was outside I would soak it a day in a bucket of water out of direct sun, then plant - as long as there is no frost actually forecast. I have planted one of my roses outside already (see below). A light frost won't hurt it if it is hardened off. If it was in the store you will need to harden if off but make sure it stays good & moist at all times. I hope you picked out one with some growth on it - the body bags at Walmart here are all dead and crunchy... (rolling eyes, how many times have we heard of this mistreatment??)

BTW, I just bought a potted Garden Party at Walmart. It wasn't even on my "must-have" list, it just looked so HEALTHY and way bigger than all the others, it just followed me home. hee hee

The rose was in a greenhouse. I got one with small, but green and healthy-looking leaves. I figured it shouldn't be in full-leaf while it was still in the body bag. (Was that right?)

Sharon

A bit of trivia. The Persian Yellow rose is credited with introducing Black Spot to this continent. Black spot Apparently didn't exist in North America until this rose was brought to the continent.
Jan

Sounds like the right amount of growth Sharon. If it's warm out, soak it and plant it up! We're having a nice warm rain here right now so I am glad I planted all my new perennials this week.

Well I have some good news. The mini rose cutting that I took last year and planted out in the garden is comming back. I was so surprised to find it today. I uncovered it earlier and thought it did not make it. But low and behold today there is lots of new growth shoots comming up from the root. Now if it blooms, I might try this with the others.

Here are a couple of my cuttings from indoors....

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Sierra :)

Thanks for the rose thread....I am happy to announce all of my roses wintered with "no protection". That was after learning the hard way...I attribute it to planting deep and fertilizing. HOWEVER, several had quite a bit of die-back, I was outside yesterday trimming dead branches to the ground on a few.

My new roses so far this season are:

Delicata
Belle Pointvine

I got them from Pickerings and they are growing away.

Last year I got:

Winnipeg Parks (looking great)
Bonica (looking great)
Hunter (looking great)
George Vancouver (super great - LOVE this rose)
Morden Snowbeauty (looking great)
Morden Ruby (looking great)
JP Connell (die back to the ground)
Adelaide Hoodless (die back to the ground)
Sir Thomas Lipton (Die-back)
Champlain (die back to the ground)
Therese Bugnet (EXCELLENT - buds already)
The Fairy (looking great)

Roses I have had for 2 winters:
Henry Hudson (looking great)
Prairie joy (looking great)
Hope for Humanity (looking great)
Martin Frobisher (AWESOME)
Morden Blush (Die back)
Morden Centennial (die back)
John Franklin (die back?? - never before, only this winter)
David Thompson (don't know what is wrong -not looking good)
Red Leaf Rose (looking great)
William Baffin (looking good)
Morden Sunrise (an excellent rose for me)
Harrison's Yellow (cut way back last fall because the aphids were killing it, came back with aphids this spring, looks small but is loaded with buds)

So.......there you go...... I have room for 2 more small roses....what shall I get. You can look at pics if you like at:

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?i=G1415

Lori - RosesRred

I am so disappointed that my Iceberg standard did not make it through the winter. I had built it a cardboard box and filled the top part with dried leavaes, and it still did not make it. My tropicana that I had near the basement wall of the house did though.

SierraZ_2b....................your black and white photos are truly incredible. Are they taken with a digital or convetional camera!

Sierra's picturesque post reminded me of something I have been meaning to ask about planting mini roses outdoors. I never would have thought they would survive up here - they just seem so delicate. Who all has minis, how long have they lasted, and are there any particular guidelines?

Thanks for the kind words about my pics. Those rose pics were taken with a SLR.

I didn't think mini roses would survive z2b either.....that is why I tried placing a cutting/plant in the garden last spring.......up until then, I kept them in pots. The cutting did well in the garden in the summer so I thought I would try over-wintering...just to see if it would work. It was covered in peat moss, then had a sheet of remay on top of that, then straw on top of that. This was an experiment......now I will watch and see what these new sprouts do this summer. If you have plants that you are afraid to loose.....then I wouldn't recommend doing this.

Sierra

Yay! My order from Old Rose Nursery arrived today at the bus depot. BIG healthy plants, great shape, obviously shipped quickly. Got Champlain as a substitution for Mme. Plantier - oh well. Only one drawback - I knew I was paying for shipping, but I did not know it would be $32.50! Yikes! Did they come on their own Lear jet? Well it's not the nursery's fault what Canada Post charges.

My bad luck with roses is over.

I finally over wintered a rose and one that wasn't hardy to my zone (I planted as an annual). Until this year I've killed every rose I've planted. Major soil preparation and snowfall are my only explanations.

Now that I have regained my confidence I'm trying Morden Sunrise, Fireglow and Alexander Mackenzie. I planted them several weeks ago and so far they look great.

-Andrew

I broke down and put in three each of Morden Sunrise and Morden Ruby. I hope the colors go well together.
So many have had no trouble with Morden Sunrise that I thought to give it a go.
I had thought that Morden Fireglow would look good with the Morden Sunrise but was not encouraged by what I saw on this thread.
They are all supposed to be ownroot so should be able to come back if they have winterkill. I put them in a sunny west exposure. The site also gets windy.
Ian

Has anyone tried 'Jeanne LaJoie' in zone 3-4?

Thanks,
Sharon

Ian.....let us know how Ruby fairs....I was thinking of adding that one too....but didn't this year.....If it does well ...I might add it next spring.

Morden Blush is doing really well so far this spring, its as far ahead as the sunrise is now.

Sierra

Andrew and Ian, although they are own-root, I still cover my new roses with loose straw around Halloween, at least for the first year or two till they get established. Never know if we're going to get snow or not. I'm sure Sunrise will do good if you mulch them.

Ruby is hardy here, she's on her 4th year ;)

How deep should I plant my rose in this cold climate?

Thanks,
Sharon

Grafted roses should have the graft 4-6" below the soil own-root roses are fine planted as they were.

Greetings. I just purchased two sunsprite miniture roses and of couse they will be planted outside. Has anyone had any experience of growing minitures and/or over wintering them.

I also got a old Burbon rose "Souvenir de la Maison". Don't think it will survive the winter but for $ 10 dollars it doesn't have to . Just be pretty for the summer and smell fantastic.

Carole

Carole, I have a Pot Rose 'Royal Parade' that I just planted in the ground 3 years ago and don't protect at all. It always comes back for me just fine, but I don't know about the Sunsprite ones.

I planted my Fairy Rose not too long ago (since the weather's been so bad), but I now know it is grafted; so I need to dig it up and plant it deeper. Should I strip the leaves off of the parts of the canes that I plan to bury? (I'm rather new to this, obviously.)

Thanks,
Sharon

Sharon, you can strip them off but it really doesn't matter, buried leaves will just decompose and the canes will be fine. Although, if you see any suckers below the graft union, those should removed.

Sharon

Thanks, Sharon. It doesn't have anything growing beneath the graft, so there can't be any suckers. Should I so anything to remove the wax?

Thanks,
Sharon

The wax will melt from the sun.....the wax below ground will decompose too ;)

Bury them deeper will help in our climate, but you'll also want to mound them with peatmoss, compost, chopped leaves, straw, late fall as well and remove the mound in the spring, I've always have bad luck growing grafted roses out here, they never come back for me, so that's why I buy own-root ;)

Sharon

I'm glad I'm not the only one who had die back to the ground on Champlain and JP Connell.

This year I have added a Pink Grootendorst, purple pavement and John Franklyn, all hardy's. I'm also being brave and planted a Touch of Class and Iceberg with the graft well below the soil line.

Tova

Hi Sharon and all

Here is my pic of "The Fairy" She is in to her second year now and growing like mad...no die back...no protection last winter either....

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Roses R Red

Sharons2,
I grow Jeanne Lajoie here in zone2/3. It survives and makes a fairly tall mini shrub (2 to 3 feet) every year. This last winter set it back some, but it's growing strong. It's surprisingly hardy, I've had it for 4 years now. Minis do well because they're almost always own root.
Good luck!
Koren in Saskatoon

I bought three mini roses this spring at Safeway and Rona.
I planted them in pots an placed them on my deck. They outgrew the pots and last week I put them in the ground. I have no idea whether they will survive the winter but "nothing ventured, nothing gained"!

One rose is looks like has pink and red stripes and was labeled "town and country, poulsen", one is pale creamy yellow and the the third has pink petals with a darker underside. I have no idea what they are.

Does anyone here know about mini-roses>

Tova

Hi tova,

Yes I grow mini roses. I tried one outside in the garden last year......and it came through.

I covered it with peatmoss, then covered that with burlap, then put a tomato ring around it. Then I covered all of that with a thick layer of straw.

It looked dead in the spring.....but evenually I could see some new growth on the bottom branch. I cut back all the other branches when I was sure that they were dead. Its about a foot high now and has two open flowers on it, and lots of buds.

Usually the grocery store mini's are rooted cuttings with 4 cuttings per pot. If you have these.....its best to seperate the individual plants, to allow them more room to grow. I have two of these.....a red and a yellow....that I divided shortly after I got them. They are all very big plants now.....although most are in planters that I will probably bring in for the winter.

I also have 3 others that I bought as individual plants from a nursery. It was a cutting that I took from one of these......that I tested outside. I don't know the varieties of any of them.....but I would think that some would hardier than others. Definately cover them in the fall.

Let us know how they do next spring.

Sierra

I just got a Royal Bonica rose in a pot. Would you plant it this late in the season or try to overwinter it in the house. It seems like people say to plant roses just as early in the Spring as you can to give them time to get established, but they may be talking about bareroot roses. Around here, most people say to stop planting on September 1, but I've planted perennials as late as September 16 for the last 3 years in a row, and they came through just fine.

Thanks,
Sharon

Sharon I would plant your Royal Bonica now. With it being in a pot, it really won't feel a thing, and we've still got a few weeks of growing time. Just keep it well watered until freeze up and a bit of mulch after freeze up will help it along too. Good luck!

Laurie