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first rose buds on overwintered roses!

18 years ago

Well, I've got my first buds on my overwintered roses!! It's exciting!! I have a mixture of hardy and tender roses. My first two roses to have buds on them are:

1. Morden Blush (beat out her Mordern sisters - Centennial and Belle.)

2. J.P. Connell

I was surprised at J.P.C because it's a yellow rose, so I thought it would be more tender and therefore slower? to get buds.

These 2 beat out

1. Morden Centennial

2. Morden Belle

3. Hansa

4. Pink Grootendorst

5. Henry Hudson

6. Blanc Double de Coubert

7. Alexander MacKenzie

and of course, all of my tender roses!

It's exciting to be in the race again! - which one of these 2 will bloom first? Any guesses?

Carol

Comments (26)

  • 18 years ago

    Wow that's exciting to have buds so soon! I am just happy that my roses are leafing out! My roses that are the furthest along are Champlain, but Morden sunrise and Morden Blush are not too far behind.

    Please post pictures when you get your first blooms so we can all enjoy them!

    Janet

  • 18 years ago

    Ouch... I don't even have to go out and check my roses... I'm sure yours are weeks ahead of mine!
    -Don

  • 18 years ago

    How exciting is that??! Can't wait to see pictures of the "winner".
    I just planted a J.P. Connell and hope he winters over well. He sure is sulking though since the day I planted him:(

    Deb

  • 18 years ago

    Topaz Jewel is another yellow rose that is extremely hardy - apparently up to zone 1.

  • 18 years ago

    'Suzanne' is budding and should be open any day now. Spring has been very late and slow here so several of the roses are still leafing out. Prairie Youth which is usually one of the first didn't take the winter at all well. It is on the west side of the house and the leaf buds began swelling before the ground was thawed so the leaves are sparse on many canes.
    Leo

  • 18 years ago

    Leo - zone 2 and almost opening!!!??? That's fantastic!!!!

    Shazam - I had no idea that Topaz Jewel is that hardy! Do you like this rose?

    Debbie - I've counted the buds on my J.P. Connell and I have about 30!!!!! I planted mine last fall, so I didn't expect to see so many buds! I'm really excited about it - so there's lots to look forward to on yours!!

    My Lambert Closse has about 2 buds on it so far. So that's my third rose in the bloom race!

    Carol

  • 18 years ago

    Hi, fellow rose growers ( especially of tender roses). I am glad to read that your roses are budding, even tender ones. I am in Edmonton and I lost 4 of my 10 HT. Would you all be kind enough to share your methods? I know from reading past posts that Don555 is also in Edmonton. Don, would you please share your methods. As we are both in the same city your methods will be most suited for me.

    Thank you.

    Sengyan

  • 18 years ago

    canadian rose: It's a nice rose. I had absolutely ZERO die back on it last year (absolutely none. I literally had nothing dead to prune) - I had some this year, but I moved the rose during the summer. The main problem with it is that the blooms hardly last. But it's a stunning yellow that holds up well to the sun, it blooms extremely early in the season and it's very compact.

  • 18 years ago

    Shazam - Sounds stellar!! Any pictures???

    Sengyan - I too live in Edmonton. I have over 50 roses that I overwintered. Here's the scoop:

    1. Plant your tender roses deeply so that the graft (knobby part) is buried about 4-6 inches deep.

    2. Stop cutting roses around the 2nd week of September. Our winters are not coming as early as they used to - it used to be stop cutting roses at the end of August. You may want to go that route just to make sure.

    3. Water really, really, really well right before the big freeze!!

    4. I take grocery bags and fill them with shredded (paper shredder) newspaper. My living room looks like a garbage dump the whole month of September while I'm busy shredding!! LOL

    5. I don't cut the roses back. I stuff the tied bags of newspaper under the bottom canes (about 3-4 bags per rose)

    6. When it snows go out as often as you can to shovel more snow on the roses.

    Hope that helps!

    Carol

  • 18 years ago

    Sorry, no pics. I'll take some this year though. My wife and I had a baby in late 2006 and the garden was mostly neglected last year as a result.

  • 18 years ago

    Hi Carol,

    Thanks for posting your overwintering method. I have seen you mention it before but never caught the details. Seems very easy.

    I have no buds to report, but all mine are leafed out very well. The bare roots that came in this spring are still just there nothing new on them yet...


    TOPAZ JEWEL- Is this a once blooming? I have read different reports on it.
    Thanks again Carol.

    Karyn

  • 18 years ago

    Karyn - you're welcome! You do bareroots? Hmmmm. I didn't think they were feasible with our short growing season. But then, you are in zone 4. Hmmmm. Something to think about.

    Shazam - I'm going to try taking pictures this year and posting them. Hope it's not too complicated for me - LOL! But then again, I can always ask my grade 6 daughter how to do it! LOL

    Carol

  • 18 years ago

    Topaz Jewel is a repeat bloomer. You may be thinking of Persian Yellow, which blooms only once.

  • 18 years ago

    Thank you for your information, Canadian Rose. This is what I did last year. (My H T are planted 6 inches deep) After the freeze: 1. I pruned down to 12 inches and removed all leaves. 2. I mount compost to cover whole plant. 3. I covered all the plants with 2 feet of straw. I uncovered them in April. I lost Marco Polo, Double delight, Tiffany and Blue Girl. All my tender roses are at least 4 years old. Some are as old as 7 years. In the past I used the Min.Tip Over method and I did not lose any. This method was too much for me (being 73 years old) and that was why I switched methods. It seems like I may have to switch methods again. I cannot afford to lose any more plants.

    Would other rose growers in Edmonton please share their successful methods so I can find one that will best suit me.

    Sengyan

  • 18 years ago

    My Honey Perfume is the only HT that survived the winter this year. I admit that I was late covering them up.

    Tova

  • 18 years ago

    Sengyan - that method should have worked just fine???!!!

    Did you remember to really water them WELL - like maybe 20 gallons each before you "put them to bed"?

    Tova - that's too bad! I do know that Honey Perfume really does well. Here's my list of tender roses that do well here - do you grow any of these?

    - Honey Perfume*
    - L.D. Braithwaite*
    - Daybreaker*
    - About Face
    - A Shropshire Lad
    - Elizabeth Taylor
    - Liebeszauber*
    - Living Easy*
    - Golden Celebration*
    - Mary Rose*
    - Julia Child*
    - Brother Cadfael*
    - Black Cherry
    - Tournament of Roses

    I have others, but those are my best. The ones with "*" after them do the best of the lot.

    Carol

  • 18 years ago

    LD Braithwaite is supposedly fully hardy in zone 3.

  • 18 years ago

    Canadian Rose,
    Yes I order bare root. (maybe I shouldn't, roses are new to me) I have never had a problem with them if they are ordered from one of the better on line sources, antique rose,or jung off the top of my head. I protect them well very much the way seng_yang does with lots of mulch, the following winter moderate amounts of mulch. After a year I see no difference than ones I have planted from a pot from the local nursery.

    Never had any luck with the bare root from the home depot type stores...

    The 4 DD I planted this spring are coming along nicely, small buds have started, although one of them is SMALL. They haven't caught up with the others in the garden yet but next year should be better. Here I am talking like 4 is a large amount, but to me I guess it is, I only add a few each year.

    Karyn

  • 18 years ago

    shazam - Thanks Shazam - I find it hard to believe L.D. Braithwaite would be hardy without protection here. Hmmmmm.... I don't think I'm willing to take that risk.

    Anyone on the forum overwintered LDB unprotected in zone 3? Would be nice if it was!

    Karyn - Well, maybe next spring, I'll take a chance and save some money by ordering bareroot. Who knew? :)

    Carol

  • 18 years ago

    Well now I have an excuse to buy one and plant it :)

    Sometimes you can find them for very cheap because they're always in the 'tender' roses section.

  • 18 years ago

    I planted an LD Braithwaite this spring. I bought it on sale at Canadian Tire by mistake. I thought I had grabbed a Cuthbert Grant so now I have both.

    My Morden Blush has buds. Interestingly my Morden Snowbeauty
    and Souvineer d malmaison survived but Morden Sunset died (They are all in the same bed.) Souvineer survives for me but I only get one or two tiny flowers per year.

  • 18 years ago

    Not an overwintered rose, but the Bonica I purchased this year has over 50 buds on it. Wow!

  • 18 years ago

    I finally went out last night and cut off the winterkill off of my shrub roses. Morden Blush and Sunrise have buds, but not Fireglow. Winnepeg parks and Champlain both have buds, as does Quadra and Lambert Closse. I'm still waiting for the rest of them, but since all we have had is cool wet weather, it may be a while! I keep looking at the buds on my irises, peonies, roses and dahlias that I started indoors - and waiting for when I can post on the gallery side. This year we are not planning to do many changes to the yard, just enjoy it.

    Janet

  • 18 years ago

    Fireglow seems to take a while. I bought two this year and they still don't have any buds.

    My George Vancouvers are ready to explode.

  • 18 years ago

    I bought a young Kilwinning last year. I would have been happy just to see it survive. Instead, it's the first rose in my yard to have flower buds...at least 20! I'm thrilled...

  • 18 years ago

    Kuzariprincess - I just LOVE L.D. Braithwaite. What sumptuous roses!! Divine!! My 4 year old plant is about 2 feet X 2 feet and will grow taller. There are lots of buds on it!

    Souvenir de la Malmaison overwintered in your garden? Great!! I bought it this year. Really weird that it survived and your Morden didn't!

    Shazam - 50 buds!!! Wow!! I bought Bonica my first year growing roses and it died overwinter. I'm reluctant to try it again. Although it SHOULD survive winter here. Maybe I just didn't know what I was doing that first year.

    Janet - I wish we were at the "just enjoy it stage." We still have SOOOO much work to do. Oh well, it's fun!

    Well - BLANC DOUBLE de COUBERT won my first rose race!!!! Followed the next day by J.P. Connell!!! They both have around 50 buds each.

    Roses rule!!

    Carol

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