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Tet x Dip...

18 years ago

Ok, so earlier in the year, I crossed Cranberry Baby (Dip) with Velvet Eyes (Tet). I knew I probably wouldn't get anything because of the genetic difference, but they were really the only two reds in the garden, and I thought, hey... you never know! And after a ton of crosses of these two, low and behold I got a pod. Now, I asked about that too, and the advice was that the pod would fall off because it was infertile.

The pod has stayed on and today, cracked open and revealed two good looking, plump seeds (and two not so hot). Will the plant make infertile seeds? I plan to plant them, just to see... but would at least like to have a guess as to whether or not I am just waiting for failure...

I have read about some cross over plants that allow the genetics of dips and tets to cross... Could this be one of them?

Thanks for any info or insight...

Comments (7)

  • 18 years ago

    I would think they will germinate. Refridgerate the seeds for 6 wks,as CB is a dormant and the seeds from dormants seem to do better in the fridge.

  • 18 years ago

    Your situation is interesting. This year I've crossed Mae Graham (dip) and Carolyn Criswell (Dip) with known Tets and I have big plump seed pods. However, my Fencing Master that was so fertile last year has not set one pod!! Pollen has done OK, tho. I'm finding that the mini's Little Business and Little Wart are pretty potent and cross with almost anybody!!
    Do you find the time of day making a big difference?

  • 18 years ago

    Hey Weldon... nice to hear from you. I don't know if you remember, but Barb introduced us at the FW plant swap.

    We'll have to keep an eye on these crosses, eh?

    I do find that if I cross at 6:30-8 am I have a higher pod set rate. I also have been taking the sticky fluid from the stamens after I remove the anthers (collecting pollen anyway) and using it on the pistle to help the pollen along. I think that has been working well too.

    Mildred Mitchell will set a pod on anything for me. And Half Moon Key will set a pod with any pollen. Some just seem like they want to make babies!! :o)

  • 18 years ago

    You never know, you might have a couple of good seeds from the two parents you've listed. Or maybe a bee or something sneaked in behind you and pollinated the flower. The odds are probably better that it was a bee unless you used protection!

    I would mark them and plant them if the seeds are firm. If they are soft, odds are they are not viable. Then cross your fingers that any seedlings will be fertile. In playing with conversions, some of the seedlings I get are chimera and not fertile at all.

    Good luck, sounds like fun.
    The seedling clump looks very nice, btw.
    Ed

  • 18 years ago

    I do remember! and like the idea of using the fluid from the stamen to hold the pollen on the pistal. I have about 85 seedlings from last yr. that I planted too late to bloom this year. Hoping for next year.

  • 18 years ago

    Hi Ed! The seeds are nice and firm, even the smaller two. This cross was made back on 5/19. For all the crosses I have made that do involve tet x dip, I was especially careful to remove all the pollen from the pod parent flowers AND I put a little hat on the pistils. I wanted to be sure that if something developed, that I had a true cross... So, that little bee would've had to bee one heck of a pollinator! I guess I still could've made a mistake, or if the bee was a REALLY early riser...

    I am hoping that resulting seedling is not infertile. Then I won't be able to continue that particular line of breeding, but maybe I will get a nice flower...

    Glad you saw your babies! They look so nice when they bloom together like that.

    Wow Weldon - you're doing good... 85 is a lot to care for. I have a few seedlings in pots that I started this year, and so far they are looking good. I wish I had a seedling bed in the shade... but no such luck. They are making up my pot ghetto for now!

  • 18 years ago

    Firm seeds sounds good Michelle. Your pollination procedure sounds good too. Should be interesting to see what you get. I'm ready to see the flowers! ;0)
    Ed