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Help, new garden in disarray

19 years ago

Hi,

I prepared a 6'x30' raised bed garden over the last 2 years and last fall I finally started planting it basically getting 90% of my desired plants in this last spring. When selecting plants I did a lot of research - I probably have half a dozen books on perennial gardens. What I'm learning is that all the planning in the world won't really help much unless you have intimate knowledge of the plant.

Anyhow, the good news is that nearly all the plants are growing well. I'll get to the bad news.

Let me list some of the plants I selected -

Cone Flower (Rubinstern)

Liatris Spicata (Floristan Violet)

Liatris Spicata (kobold)

Salvia East Friesland

Achillea Moonshine

Achillea m. Snow Sport

Phlox maculata Miss Lingard

Pyrethrum Mixed Hybrids

Various kinds of Asiatic and oriental lilies

I also have some smaller plants towards the front of the border such as mini roses, various Dianthus and others.

I have 4 floribunda roses and 2 climbing roses and they are doing great.

First some of the specific problems-

One of the problems I'm having is that the Liatris and Salvia are falling down. The flower spikes on one of the Liatris (Floristan) completely fell down (I put in stakes to save it). With the salvias I'm guessing they may require a mid season haircut. I know that these 2 plants don't really need fertilizer and since my soil was not well aged I did add a fair amount of nutrients to the soil this first year.

The second problem is more general. Despite trying to be mindful of the heights of these plants, the estimates given in books and the sellers can be off by 50% in some cases. Some of the plants that I placed near the front of the border (ie. Achillea Snow Sport) are much taller than expected while some that I placed in the rear are shorter than expected (ie. Cone Flower). The Floristan Violet's have exceeded 4 feet! I have some mini roses towards the front of the border and most of them are covered by the Snow Sport. Although it's intended to be a cottage garden there's very little height progression from front to rear. I have noticed that many cottage style perennials are tall plants - very few are less than 2' tall and many exceed 4'.

Anyhow, what I'm thinking I need to do is take notes/pictures on the current plants - height, spread, bloom time etc. and then re-plan the garden based on this info. I think all of the plants I have listed transplant well in the fall. I may have to ditch some of the especially tall plants and substitute similar but smaller varieties.

Just sort of wondering if any of you have been through this process.

Comments (5)

  • 19 years ago

    You are doing a great job. We have all been through it. Think about delphinium, Hollyhock, malva for tall plants; come down to foxglove for shorter plants, throw in some delphinium seeds and taper down with poppies for lots of annuals which you always need with your perennials. Just gotta have some annual seeds.

  • 19 years ago

    alexh,
    I've also found the growth heights to be more of a guide. When you get them in your own garden, they can do something completely different. I have found that the coneflowers I grew took three seasons to really get tall. Some plants are faster growers than others. But you're right, it's a matter of having knowledge about each specific plant and that comes with experience I guess. I'm new to this too. (this is just my fifth gardening season and I moved to a new house last year and started over again). One year I had six foot cosmos - don't as me why. :)

    Estelle

  • 19 years ago

    Yes its true that plants arn't always the sizes the the books and tags say. But the one suggestion that I will mention is give your garden a year or two, before you start moving things around. Sometimes plants will be shorter for the first year or two...then they seem to mature and get taller. I had 6 foot foxgloves last year...who would have known. LOL!

    Sierra

  • 19 years ago

    I would certainly wait another year before I move too many things. Many perennials really take off the second and even the third year and if you move them now you may be in for a big surprise next year! Wow I bet your garden looks great with all those wonderful plants! Some of the flopping might also be due to the really great soil you have. I am assuming you filled your raised bed with great soil too and some plants flop with rich soil. I guess you could just trim and stake as needed for now to keep it looking decent and then wait it out.

  • 19 years ago

    I have some stuff that is now in it's third year and they are large and flopping too. Last night I had DH cut some of that white loop wire fencing (about 18" high) to make some baskets to put around the floppers. That has really helped. Achillea is gorgeous but it does get tall and flop. I think the Moonshine variety is the worst because the flower heads get so BIG and heavy. Had that one in my old garden. And I have to agree with the others. Wait a year or two before you move things. First year they sleep, second year they creep, third year they leap!

    You've got some great plants in your new garden. Please post some pictures if you can. We'd love to see!

    MeMo

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