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Solarize The Soil,

18 years ago

Hello everyone, been gardening for over 50 years and all up north. Living down here (Sarasota) for a year and a half now and have gone through 3 cycles of vegetable gardening. Never had a problem up north (Buffalo NY) Down here, whole new ball game. Nematodes......... tried solarizing, removed ALL soil (sand) and replaced with public free compost and found a dairy farm selling decomposed manure/compost. Got a plot 4'/36' and growing tomatoes, cukes, some basil, yellow wax beans (no problems) and broccoli(no problem). PH was ok before planting, added nem-a-cide, some 10-20-20 and solarized June-November 07. They're Back!!! Also anyone ever had a problem with "tomato yellow curling disease? I do believe this is what I have going on also. Plants (tomatoes) start strong, about 4 weeks in plants show yellowing of new growth (leaf chlorosis). Flowers are not setting to fruit, It's sad and disheartening, grew tomatoes up north and only fertilized once a year, no other chemicals used, no sevin etc. Using, "weed guard" for a mulch and have the large cages from Home Depot. Reason I say that this is yellow curling disease is that I planted tomatoes in containers also (used miracle grow soil). Same results, "Whiteflies" as I have read are the carriers, A lot of hours have been spent on UFIFAS site. So as You see I HAVE problems. LOL, I'm gonna try to beat this, been at this too long.

Thank You All, for ANY information.

Peace, Fred#3

Comments (10)

  • 18 years ago

    Fred, I have been gardening in Sarasota for 30 years.
    I have solved some of the problems.
    You can contact me at norm293@verizon.net

  • 18 years ago

    Hey Fred#3, WELCOME to the Florida Forum! Florida gardening is a whole different world, isn't it? Because of nematodes, I container MOST of my veggies. Been at Tomatoes for 5 years now and decided sometimes you win, sometimes you loose. My biggest probs are with blight. The heat and humdity in zone 10 is a bear to deal with. I did finally overcome the mockingbirds by using the Bird Screen mesh around them. I grow a number of different varieties just to try to keep ahead of the game. Hope you find this friendly forum helpful. Come to one of our swaps and get to meet some of the great people here you won't regret it, for sure, and you'll go home with more plants than you can imagine!

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks, Norm34 and Cindeea. I will take Your advice and contact you Norm34. Thank You Cindeea, Don't know anything about them, (problems with ) LOL here We go again, surprise,suprise. LOL
    Thanks to All,
    Fred#3

  • 18 years ago

    Hi Fred3,
    Sounds like you've been growing vegs for a while.
    Yep we've got different plant problems here.
    The yellow curling leaf problem is likely a virus, introduced by sucking insects, thrips, whitefly, aphids. Possibly brought in with the free public compost. And nurtured by the succulent green growth provided by the same compost. I've used the same stuff. I don't think it's adequately composted, needs more time.
    Nematodes are another problem in these hot sandy soils. Much organic material and heavy organic mulch help greatly. It's an ongoing process.
    Nematode stress shows up as wilting, even when adequately watered. Afternoon wilt is normal in Fl sun though. Curly frizzy top is a virus. No more good fruit. Time to dispose of the plants and wait for next growing season.
    Meanwhile add organics to the soil, keep watered and mixed to continue composting. Even the free compost is good if you keep it going. Just don't use it for mulch or fresh "manure" for new plants.
    I don't believe in solarizing. Want to establish biodiversity in the soil. I've used newspaper and hay or grass clippings on top for weed control with good results. I don't like wood chips in my veggie garden. Throws off the Ph.
    With all this, there are still problems. Tomato fruitworms, birds, hornworms, the inevitable nematode stress, fungus and virus.
    But as I've told my northern visitors, "You can grow from June til September. I can grow from September til June!"

    I know you'll lick these little problems.

  • 18 years ago

    Really appreciate the info Treefrog. I got the time and the climate. I will not give up, with People like You and all others who are so helpful, I know We will do It. I Thank All.

    Peace, Fred#3

  • 18 years ago

    I've got no advice to share on vegetables as I have always relied on the kindness of Publix grocery stores for my veggies, but I wanted to say 'Welcome to the Florida Forum'. Many of us are transplants from more northerly climates so we understand your frustration. It seems like it should be so easy to grow everything here, but it's not. Have fun!
    Kate

  • 18 years ago

    Hi Fred.Welcome to the forum.
    Felix

  • 18 years ago

    The solarizing didn't work for me either.

    In addition to the very good advice given above, you may want to try more crop rotation. Because we don't have cold winters here, diseases, fungus, nematodes and many other problems build up, season after season here, until it becomes difficult, if not impossible, to keep growing veggies in the same spot. Almost without exception, when I move the vegetable garden to a new spot, I get a much better harvest. Currently I'm trying the broadest rotation scheme I can manage in my small garden. I'm trying to work into the rotations mustards, marigolds, some prairie type flowers, sunn hemp and other plants that are said to reduce nematodes. I'm also doing more container gardening for blight proned plants like peppers--and the pots let me broaden the rotation scheme a little further.

    Bill

  • 18 years ago

    Hi and welcome!!!!
    I agree with crop rotation ESPECIALLY with Tomatoes.
    Have to add this on solarization though.I tried different plastics and still had stuff grow through! One day I had a yard sale and set out a 3/4 inch glass table top on the lawn, It wasn.t there all day but did the grass beneath it ever FRY!

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks everyone, I appreciate all Your effort to help Me out and the warm welcomes. A lot to learn about gardening without frost and freeze, I learning to hate sand. LOL. Thanks
    Peace,Fred#3

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