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Starting over from scratch - help! (long, sorry!)

20 years ago

Hi all. I am not much of a gardener so this is a big step for me. We recently had some drainage work done around our house and they tore out all of our landscaping. The landscaping was overgrown and inappropriate, so it needed to go, but now I am left with a mud pit that I am trying to restore to some semblance of attractiveness before winter. The landscape guy who did the drainage work gave me a plan for new beds, but he's just not getting my vision. We have a reproduction farmhouse, and I want all the plants to look cottage-y and like they've been there forever. I have a picture in my head of my grandmother's garden when I was a kid that I want to replicate. His plan was more the traditional three-shrubs-in-a-sea-of-mulch plan. So I'm trying to figure it out on my own.

Problem is that I don't have much experience, so other than looking at a bunch of pics, I don't really know what various plants look like nor how big they grow. Also, I'm kind of broke - over the past year, we sunk over $100K into the house fixing the things the builder did wrong (if you're interest and/or really bored, you can read the story here). So I can't afford to go with one of the expensive designers around here, even though I've seen their work and it's exactly what I want.

So OK, on to specifics. Take a look at the pictures of my house right now. The front of the house faces north and is fairly shady. Previously we had sand cherries at each corner, two viburnums next to the door that had grown WAY too big (you couldn't see out the windows), and some winterberry holly (again, taller than the windows) in front of the windows to the left of the bow window.) The holly never really got berries - don't know if we didn't have a male or if there wasn't enough sun.

Along the side of the house, we need something to hide the A/C units and radon pipes. We had Cherry Laurels there and they were ok, but kind of blah. I was wondering if there would be something better there. That side of the house gets morning sun - we had hostas grow well there, the sweet autumn clematis loves it there, and all our azaleas got lacebug and were half dead.

Along the back of the house (southern exposure) I have an antique rose that I love. I figured all the sunny beds I would just fill with shrub roses & perennials. It's the shady and morning-sun sides I don't know what to do with.

So ok, given all that, I was thinking of the following:

In the front of the house, to the right of the door, a hydrangea close to the door and some snowmound spirea along the foundation towards the screen porch. To the left of the door, some hostas, ferns, maybe a boxwood or inkberry holly for evergreen interest. At the left front corner of the house, I was thinking of a beauty bush (kolkwitzia) that would eventually grow big enough to hide the electric meter, but would it be too big? Along the side, in front of the A/C units, I was thinking of boxwoods or inkberry holly (they just seem more cottagey looking to me than the cherry laurels) but the landscape guy tells me they grow really slow and it will be hard to find a big enough one to plant that will hide the A/Cs right away without spending a fortune. I was also thinking of a lilac back in the little corner between the A/C units and the side porch, and a Lespedeza Thunbergii Pink Fountain in front of the lilac (saw a pic of this and it looked amazing - it dies back every year and grows up from the ground to about 4-6' tall by September, so I figured in front of the lilac would be a good place - as the lilac gets ugly, this will grow up and hide it. But I am worried that a lilac won't do well back in the corner - it will get morning sun only and maybe will get bad mildew from being tucked in the corner?

I definitely want a lilac bush somewhere, lots of shrub roses and climbing roses, other climbing vines, etc. I'd like to find a spot for a hydrangea, a weiglia, a mockorange maybe. I remember my grandmother's garden having peonies, sweetpeas, and 4-o-clocks, so I want those as well. I love knockout roses even though they're not technically an oldfashioned plant. I saved a beautiful Russian Sage as well as a bunch of hostas and daylilies before they started tearing everything out. Oh, and in the front of the house, I'd like to eliminate some or most of the lawn between the front walkway and side walkway and fill it in with vinca - though my landscaper tells me this will be very expensive since I'll need thousands of vinca plants and tons of mulch for the first few years.

Also, I want to be sure that whatever shrubs I plant along the front of the house don't take over - like I said, the other shrubs were about 8 feet high and blocked the windows. I don't want to have to prune too much (I think it looks fake-y) so I'd like shrubs and stuff that is naturally small.

Finally, like I said, I need to do this on the cheap. I don't mind shelling out some cash for plants and good soil now, but I can't afford the time and/or money to bring in 50 yards of mulch every year-- that was the goal with the vinca - to eventually eliminate the need to mulch. Something I could plant in stages would be good - put in some shrubs now and more in the spring and over the next couple years when I have the cash. Low maintenance is good too - I have two small children and don't get much time to putter around in the garden.

I'd appreciate any feedback as well as suggestions for cottage-y plants that I haven't mentioned. If you have any suggestions for bed sizes and placements, feel free - I'd love to hear them. Thanks so much for any help you can offer.

Comments (8)

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    The best thing I can suggest at this point is research and planning. There are lots of good books about both landscaping and gardening to be found at the library and that will help you get started. Gardening for Dummies is a decent reference for a newby getting started. Better Homes and Gardens website also has complete plans that you can use/modify to suit your needs.

    When planning a new space it can be very helpful to get some graph paper and draw a map of your property. It is much easier to rework things on paper than it is in soil.

    Take your time and enjoy. It doesn't have to all be done at once. It is about the journey, not the destination.

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I know you're very eager to have things looking nice, and I don't blame you, but I hope you'll consider Badtoad's very good advice to not rush to do this project before winter.

    I'm guessing you're in zone5, as am I, and I think the window is closing on a safe time for planting. So unless you're ready to start putting things in the ground pretty DFast, I would say it would be prudent to wait until spring. By that time you will have a great plan, and possibly more funds too!

    What you could and (and I would even say should) be doing now is preparing the soil (topsoil/compost mixture etc.). I think the soil forum has good info about this in FAQ or just do a search there.

    What ever you decide to do, I know that everyone here will try to help answer whatever questions you have along the way.

    As Badtoad says, enjoy the planning process. You have a blank slate! How cool is that!?
    Good luck!
    Patti

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I'd have to echo what badtoad and Patti have already said. I'd place particular emphasis on the soil preparation. More often than not plants go wrong because of lack of this. Compost, compost, compost, at least a foot down for the roses and perennials if you can.

    Your home is lovely and you have a great space in which to create beautiful cottage gardens. I'll let others speak to what would work best in your zone but I like your choices, especially the roses. : )

    Good luck and be sure to let us know how things progress.

    Diana

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I agree with spending the time and money in amending your soil now, and leave the planting until the spring. I'm not sure when you get your first killing frost, but I would think any kind of planting done now may not survive your winter.

    You could use the winter to plan and plot your garden. There are several great designing software packages that you can use to overlay color and gardening schemes directly onto a picture of your home.

    You have a beautiful home and a wonderful clean slate to work with. If I were you I would be gathering leaves, coffee grounds and food scraps to create some compost for spring planting. Your future lilacs, hydrangeas, roses, sweet peas etc. will love you for it!

    Best of luck with your project.

    Marilyn

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Ohhhh, a blank slate. You have us all so jealous. Just a though. You might try winter sowing. alot of people offer seeds for just bubble envelopes and it would save you money on plants. Just check out the winter sowing forum here and the exchanges. At any rate, I agree with everyone else, plan, prepare and next year (if old enough) let the little ones help. I let mine help last year and I was surprized at some of the things they thought "had" to go together and my garden has never looked better. That is the best thing about cottage gardens, they are built with love, not perfection. Good luck. At anyrate, I am sure it will look great.

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    You have a lovely home and, as others have said, a great blank slate. Take your time and you can have just what you want, without too much cost. Compost, soil prep, and trading will take you very far. By the way, I have LOTS of vinca that I need to remove. . .It's beautiful, but it does spread. And winter-sowing can give you hundreds of plants. I know it's hard to wait - believe me! - but it is well worth it. Good luck and let me know if you would like some vinca. . . :) Have seeds to share too. rosebush

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I was planning to have the landscape guy do the beds and mulch them really deep for winter - that should take care of the mud problem. But I did want to get at least a few things in - the bushes around the A/C units, for example, and something to act as a windbreak on the front left corner of the house. And since I've been going around to nurseries, I'm seeing that lots of stuff in on sale super-cheap and the bargain hunter in me is having trouble resisting temptation...

    Anyhow, I did want to make up my mind on the bushes around the A/Cs and the one at the corner of the house - everything else can wait, I guess.

    I'm in zone 6, near Philadelphia, although my house sits on a very windy hill so I tend to think of myself as a cold zone 6 and usually look for plants that say they're hardy to 5 just to be safe. Rosebush, I'd love some of your vinca - how would you get it here, LOL!

  • 20 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Well I don't think it is too late to plant shrubs in your zone. I live near Philly too. When I hear morning sun and afternoon shade I think right away of Hydrangeas! How about them to screen your AC units? There are so many different kinds and sizes. Google some up and head for a nearby nursery or just go and see what kinds they have. They love that kind of condition. Weigela are great for hummingbirds and they like sunshine..they also come now in all different sizes and colors and are very hardy. I think you should take advantage of the sales and pick up a few perennials while you are at it too. Is there anywhere to put a beautiful Honeysuckle? It needs full sun and place to climb but your home is such a perfect place for one. It is so cottagy and it would look so perfect there. Well that is just a few thoughts on my part. What a beautiful home you have I am soo envious but you have gone through such he** I feel so bad for you. Well a new day is dawning for you! May the force be with you!

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