Very nice Olya! I saw a pic of Basye's Blueberry the other day (and loved it)and was told it will grow in Fla but should be on Fortuniana. Those Rugosas have a HARD time in Fla on their own roots. I wish you luck it may last for several years.

I used to grow Vineyard's Song...I used to grow A LOT of things. Very pretty roses.

I'm not posting any pictures now but I have finally finished planting my modern rose garden. I have planted daylilies as companions because they take simular care.

I'm also growing Arch Duke Charles...my only OGR right now. I won a "Knock Out" that is grafted at the rose meeting but I'm thinking it is Home Run. I want Mrs. BR Cant for sure...and you know it is hard to stop!

I'm one of those "horrible" people who use fungicide so I don't have too much trouble with blackspot.

o -- are you growing them on their own root, or fortuniana?

I would love to get a recommendation from you rose lovers for a yellow rose, pillar or bush habit, preferably OGR that I can plant in the ground.
Fragrance is a MUST and of course I'd like it to bloom more than once :)

Is that asking too much?

I'm going to the Tampa orchid and Rose expo in May so maybe I'll get lucky there.

As far as your question, I'm growing my roses in pots right now, so no companions yet. Daylilies sound good though, and I have some of those in pots too.

Thanks for your help.

Denise

Olya, beautiful pics!! I may have to get Vineyard Song...where did you get yours?

I try to grow pretty, healthy roses. Here's some of my roses:

Abe Darby...wonderful scent, graceful blooms, can be BS prone

Moonstone...HUGE blooms, very healthy, gets BIG

Calico...very small bush, lots of thorns, pretty colors, no scent

Mr. Lincoln...AMAZING scent, great rebloom, very thorny

Chrysler Imperial...another one with an intoxicating scent, healthy, lots of blooms

Honey Bouquet...awesome bloomer, nice scent, some BS

Angel Face...I rescued this rose from a local nursery and it seems to be happy. It's the only purple rose I have and it's really been maintenance free for me. I'm very fond of it, like I am it's guardian angel

JFK...blooms tend to burn in the hot sun, but a healthy bush overall

Here's another Moonstone bloom with my hand for scale...BIG BLOOMER

Olya, I really like your underplantings of blue daze. I think I might pick some up this weekend and put them around my roses in the backyard. I also like to underplant with lavender and thyme because they don't get too tall and it adds an extra layer of fragrance.

I'm going to go to my favorite local plant nursery this weekend to see if anything catches my eye. If not, I might place an order with Antique Rose Emporium. They have some china's, tea's and noisette's that I really want.

I look forward to reading what other friends here on the forum say about their roses!

Beautiful roses Olya! I was just thinking of posting the same question! I haven't done as well with roses as you, but I finally got my Knockout Roses and Louis Phillipe to look halfway decent. I was wondering what else I could plant in the rose bed. I see that you have what appears to be Blue Daze with the Prosperity and it looks stunning.
Laura uses daylilies, but what else would look "regal" enough for roses?

Regina

Thanks, guys
I grow half and half - good half on Fortuniana, and another - own root. I am not too worried about own root as I grow in about 1.5 - 2 feet of compost. We built a 4 foot wall and brought three trucks of compost and top soil ( about 25 cubic yards of compost and 10 yards of top soil)

Basye's Blueberry came from Antique Rose Emporium in Texas and has done well so far. It is not a rugosa, but a (hybrid) shrub, but does smell like one. I think it will do well in Florida :)

I used fungicide for some time and got tired of it. Now, it is all spray free and as much pesticide free as possible. I see a lot of life I did not see before. Roses could have looked better with some fungicide during certain months of the year...but I have no time and desire to spray :)

Yellow rose...Hummm...I like Crepuscule (own root) and Pat Austin (fortuniana)- both are more peachy than yellow.

Olya

By the time I finished with my response, a few more posts appeared - this forum never sleeps!

Wonderful roses, Tampafred! I have been very happy with Antique Rose Emporium. Vineyard Song came from Countryside roses - another good place to order.

I am trying to create a cottage garden look and use lots of companions...Right now, I have:
Gaura, pink and white
Lemon basil - it can take so much full sun! I planted it from seeds a few years back and it has been reseeding since...Smells so good when you walk by it
Fernleaf lavender
Salvias, and more salvias
Rain lilies, here and there
Day lilies
Well behaving lantana from Lowes (not the wild one that grows huge )
Blackberry lilies - they actually do just fine in full sun!
Agaphantus
Skullcap
Annuals ...I cannot remember names right now
Fan flower, Scaevola aemula
Tampa Verbena
Porterweed

I like overgrown look to rose garden :)
Olya

Rats! I just spent 20 minutes writing my post and I lost it.

So just for now, I will say Thank You, Olya! And lets make this a monthly thread...

Lets Talk Roses April
Lets Talk Roses May
and so on.

More Tomorrow...

Veronica

Ok TampaFred, name that nursery, please.

A friend gave me a rooted cutting that she called a Cracker Rose . It started as a tiny stick and a year later is now a glorious bush that is a constant bloomer . It blooms red with a double flower and almost a peppery not that pleasant scent . Is this a Louis Phillipe ? This year I bought a tiny rose plant at the Master Gardener Faire . It is called Mrs. B R Cant . I was told it will have a double pink flower . I use Bayer Rose and Flower Care . It has worked miracles ! I found myself eyeing roses at Lowes recently . I know I've got the " rose bug "! Thanks for this interesting thread . Mary

Olya, your photos are always an inspiration. Just lovely!

~Betsy

I had been looking for a long time for a true yellow rose. Finally found it at Lowes. It is "SunFlare" a Jackson & Perkins on fortuniana stock. I purchased it in late February & it is now covered with the second flush of blooms since I put it in the ground. Lovely scent also. The label says it was grown at Dewar's Nursery in Apopka.

thanks olya
I like the look of "Crepuscule" very much, very romantic, and the peach apricot color is lovely. Antique Rose Emp. is out of stock so I'll keep looking for it.

happy_girl
thanks for the info. I also impulse bought a yellow from either HD or Lowes, it may be SunFlare but I didn't see it labeled as Fortuniana. I like it but the bloom don't last very long. It does have a lot of flowers (with nice fragrance) though so that makes up for it :). I have it in a pot but maybe I'll try it in the ground.

In internet searching I also came across "Nacogdoches" or "Grandma's Yellow", a found rose in Texas that sounds good too. Anyone tried it in Florida?

Olya-my bad on the Basye's Blueberry. Someone let me to believe it was a hybrid rugosa.

From my new garden:
Angel Face-too bad you can't smell it!

Beloved

Cajun Sunrise

happy_girl
I found the tag and mine is "Sunsprite" and no Fort. label. Sounds like you got a good one :)
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sunsprite

Oi, pretty roses, Laura!!!
What do you like to feed your roses?

Naplesgardener,
I got my Crepuscule from Antique Rose Emp and it came as a nice big plant...Pretty flowers
Pat Austin does quite well for me here, without spraying
I have heard good things about Teasing Georgia, and would love to try it on Fortuniana ...Nice yellow

Olya

Gatormomx2, Louis Phillipe is the true Cracker Rose, but people often misidentify it. Your description of the bloom sounds right. However, mine smells delicious! Many people say LP has no fragrance, while others think it smells very good. I've never heard it described as peppery before. Personally, I don't think you can go by fragrance. I think it is variable depending on other factors.

Here is a picture of mine.

Hope this helps.

Marcia

Marcia could it be that you have Cramoisi Superieur? To me it looks the same as LP but it is fragrant.

I know several people who grow Crepuscule it is easy enough to root. I'm not doing any rooting now but maybe in the future.

I love Pat Austin! I can't get enough of that color. And she behaves herself and doesn't turn into a monster.

Cool Roses has contracted to graft more David Austin English Roses to Fortuniana for us FloraBuds. Something to look forward to.

Here is a link that might be useful: Cool Roses

In the post that I lost, I had hoped to let those who are less familiar with OGRs (Old Garden Roses), know that many of them take quite a long time to establish. I have a Duchesse de Brabant that was planted over 4 years ago and it is just now coming into its own. There is a candelabra of blooms and buds at four feet of height. Must be over 25 blooms. Stupendous! This was after having a bloom now and then, here and there. I am also sun challenged, so that may have been a factor.

For this reason, I have gone ahead and burned the card and ordered some from my top ten list. I have several coming to add to the 70 I already have. Many of these are OGRs`, mostly teas. Also, I am beginning to take cuttings from as many as I can for a fall swap. I am also glad to send cuttings for postage and packaging, if I can't find some boxes laying around here.

Here is what is coming:

Marie Van Houtte (a dead ringer for Mrs Dudley Cross [which I have] but with fragrance.
Sunset
Niles Cochet
Mrs B R Cant, one of the very best teas and teas LOVE heat. Teas will also get much better about blackspot and fungus when they are mature, though they may suffer some in their youth.
Mrs Joseph Schwartz
Marie Pavie
Excellenz Von Schubert
Ann Marie Di Monfort A tiny white china with masses of blooms that are supposed to smell like lilacs.

And from the Antique Rose Forum, remember;

OGRs: First they sleep, then they creep, then they leap.
For hot climes and own root OGRs, repeat after me... Chinas, Teas, and Noisettes
Chinas, Teas, and Noisettes
Chinas, Teas and Noisettes

The next one I shall purchase is Souv. de La Malmaison and I will wait until I find one on Fort. I NEED this one to grow as fast as possible. The fragrance is amazing.

Here is a link that might be useful: Queen of Beauty and Fragrance

Marcia - Yup ! That's my Cracker Rose ! What a wonderful plant . You are right - the scent is pleasant at times . This beautiful rose is a constant bloomer and has me hooked on growing OGR . The cuttings root quite easily although are slow to grow at first . How big will this rose get ?
The newbie - Mrs. BR Cant is really struggling . I water it and baby it and it looks so sad and droopy . We need rain !
Thanks for your help .
Mary

thonotorose
I tried to email you but don't see your address listed.
Could you email me at denisedelong at comcast dot net.
thanks
Denise

Veronica, sorry for the delay in responding to your question. There's actually 2 nurseries I frequent. One is called Bloom and the other is Hardin's Rose Nursery. Hardin's has been in business since the '50's and only sells fortuniana grafted roses. They have a great selection and a great staff. They are only open on Saturdays. Bloom is a wonderful cottage type nursery with great plants and yard accessories. Both nurseries are in south Tampa. I was going to go today but I think I may have broken my left foot and 2 toes and may need to go to doctor instead...;-(

To TampaFred Ouch! I hope you are Ok. Let us know......

I know Hardins. Grew up in that area and was taught by both Mr and Mrs Hardin at Robinson High.

I've driven by Bloom and drooled. Did they used to be down on Bayshore near Ballast Point?

I like Advant Gardens, too. Euclid and Dale Mabry. I found several Ashdown Roses there. They may still have some. I don't think they ever reordered, though.

I know Hardins carries Nelsons Roses. Did you see any OGRs there? I must get back there! After the Rose Frenzy.... no...maybe before...And I've got to squeeze in Florida Southern College. The Antique Rose Garden there, managed by Malcolm Manners, should be peaking over the next two weeks.

Hi
Would love to talk roses but I read "War and Peace" while my dialup comp. was loading this thread lol.
Have never grown roses but recently saw some rose trees
that mad me drool lol. Notice there was no mention of these types. I'm very tempted but I have a very small lot
very poor soil and limited sunny locations and would have to move something to make room..
Can I grow these types in 10 and if so what would be the best method?? I'm thinking containers?? gary

I too am enamored with OGRs. About two years ago, for Mother's Day, my husband took the kids and I to Seminole Springs Rose Farm in Eustis. I came home with quarts of Mrs. B. R. Cant, Cramoisi Superior, Maitland White and Brightside Cream.
The first three roses are doing well without much care; and I even dug up Mrs. Cant and Cramoisi to bring to my new home - they made it! Brightside Cream perished pretty much right away - I think I didn't give it a nice enough spot; or it is just one of those roses that needs a little TLC.
For my new house, I ordered Climbing Cramoisi Sup., Lamarque and Louis Phillipe from Chamblees. Lamarque doesn't look well in the pot I gave him but the others look promising.
Please keep posting about OGRs in Florida - I am learning a lot.

Hardin's has some OGRs but not many. Not many people graft them. Hardin's carries roses from several growers and my lest favorite is Nelson's! (careful not all Hardin's roses are on fortuniana)

There is a virus (rose mosaic virus-RMV) that is passed on through the rootstock. If the fortuniana mother plants have the virus then everything you graft will also have the virus. Also any cuttings then taken from the plant will have the virus. It can't be passed on with clipper.
This virus can reduce the vigor and life of the rose bush. Dr. Malcholm (?) Mannors at Florida Southern College has spreadheaded a program to clean up RMV. Most wholesalers have worked hard to become RMV free....not so with Nelson's. They don't seem to care. You can look at their plants and SEE those squiggly markings in the leaves (some times the symptoms are dormant) and Know it has RMV.

I avoid Nelson's roses more for the fact that they don't care. I just don't buy any of those blue potted roses. OK...stepping down from soap box!

egads! I didn't know Nelson's turned a blind eye to RMV. I will have to remember this when I am at Hardin's next time.

Well, I went to the doctor and no broken foot but 2 broken toes and 1 fractured toe. They are all purple and sore as hell so I am laying in bed with my leg elevated and the laptop typing this. Oh well!!

Bloom did use to be down on Bayshore and they recently moved...ugh, I can't remember the name of the street they are on but they are down by Palma Ceia CC. I drool everytime I go there...beautiful plants and a great selections. I've been to Avant Gardens and the last time I was there, the few roses they had from Ashdown didn't look so good. I'm thinking I will just go ahead and order some from Antique Rose Emporium.

Tampafred, I hope you are OK! How did you manage to brake two toes and fracture one? Yardwork?

ARE is a pretty good place. I also ordered and have been happy with Chamblee's Roses
http://www.chambleeroses.com/xcart/home.php?cat=3

Bloom is on MacDill at Bay to Bay on the SW corner.

Bumping this back up to see if I can get an ID on my rose.
Kat

Hey Kat,
Your rose looks like "Hermosa", but it is really hard to tell from that one picture. Can you describe it more or post more photos of the bush and leaves? Do you know anything about it, (like bloom cycle, fragrance, source of the plant)? That might help others help you to identify it.
If you know what type of rose it is (China, Tea, Hybrid Tea, etc.) you could also try narrowing it down on the Help Me Find Roses site.
Wishing you luck,
Jeannie

Here is a link that might be useful: Hermosa on HMF