The answer is NO. No refund is given is the progeny is lackluster.

You take your chances when you buy seeds from any given cross. Some of the progeny will be throwbacks. Some will be exciting.

I can just imagine the endless arguments... ;-)

Meet expectations? What expectations? Hybridizers plant thousands of seedlings to get their intros. Plant afew seeds and take your chances but if it were so easy to produce great seedlings just because the parent plants had lovely flowers then everyones seedlings would be fantastic.

as a buyer, if i purchased seeds from a cross i wouldn't expect a plant, new seeds or a refund if what i got wasn't something i liked. if the seeds didn't germinate or had a very bad germination rate i might ask for a new packet of seeds (do day lilies have a high germination rate?) or a refund. but when you buy seeds from someone's crosses you should expect a range of results that reflects the parentage. might have a case if you were looking for something in the orange-red shades and you got something
that bloomed in the pinky-purple line. but no i wouldn't really expect a refund.

if i was buying a plant and told it was supposed to bloom in an expected way and i didn't get that then i'd expect a
refund.

diggerb

Shelly, When I first read your post, I thought you were joking. I can't believe that any one in their right mind would be asking for a refund on a seed purchase based on what the seeds produced. Unless maybe they were producing iris instead of daylilies.

IMHO it's a crap shoot to some extent no matter how long you've been hybridizing. The big guys who plant seeds from very long crosses can make some good guesses as to what they'll get. I think these short crosses are always a gamble. I agree with what Rita stated above. With short crosses or just a few seeds of any given cross, your chances of getting something really outstanding is pretty slim.

Linda

No refunds.
If seeds will warrant the greatness of the parents, then why bother to buy the Intro? There'll be lots of them in two years once the seeds grow.
They're hybrids. No guarantees.

Bj

I would not demand a refund. I would consider it a lesson learned. However...a Seller's reputation is based on the product sold. If I bought seeds that did not germinate, or seeds that eventually failed to look anything like the parents, I would never buy from that Seller again. And I would pass this information on to anyone who asked. For instance...I would expect HOW BEAUTIFUL HEAVEN MUST BE X J.T. DAVIS to produe some light colored flowers with ruffles. If I got a bunch of dark colored spiders, then obviously something went wrong on the Seller's side. Some hybridizers are more careful with their seeds than others. Some hybridizers are more conscientious about pollinating techniques. Some hybridizers are better record keepers and tag makers than others. Some hybridizers are more careful shippers than others. Some hybridizers have more time to devote to daylilies than others. A lot can go wrong with seeds...mistakes can easily be made...not to mention deliberate deception. If a Seller isn't using their own photos, if their auctions don't look thoughtfully prepared, If they don't answer emails promptly, if they don't have 100% feedback... Buyers beware! It could be 2 or 3 years before you even realize you've wasted your money.
Kathy

I've been buying seeds some four years...and have never asked for a refund...even when the seeds molded. I just consider it a lesson learned.

I seem to have better germination with some sellers than others, so I stick with them.

As to what comes out, well, that's just a guess...who really knows, with the way genetics are. Sometimes it really amuses me.

Shelly, I've bought seeds from you and been fine with them. I was a bit amused at the result from some, but it was nothing personal. It could (and has) have happened with any cross or from any seller. It's just a gamble, like buying lottery tickets, I think. Besides, I still remain hopeful! You never know what next year will bring.

Some of my experiences are my own fault, I think, because I have bought crosses, spent years growing them...and then thought the result was entirely predictable...if I had done a little research.

This is a little scary. I was considering selling some seeds this fall as I make more and more each year....and have less and less space to plant them. If there are folks out there with expectations like that, well, who wants to sell to them? No one can guarantee results...

Oh yeah...I've even bought unbloomed seedlings (not often)...and well, those can be very wild...I would never consider asking for refund unless the seedlings were not healthy upon arrival....after arrival, it's up to me...

Chin up. If it's from the LA, I'm sure Mike Longo will support you.

I really appreciate all the feedback. I have issued refunds or sent more seeds for poor germination rates before and I have no problem with that in most cases. This person really would like a refund for all of the seeds that they bought from me but are doing me a favor by asking for a refund of only one cross. I guess I was more offended because I feel as though my character is in question - that I would intentionally sell seeds that are not legitimate.
I will be listing more seeds this winter as I can never resist a pretty face or fluffy pollen. However, I think this year I will also remind any buyer that Mother Nature can and will play cruel jokes. No guarantee other than the seeds ARE from the parents listed. Being a teacher, I am a methodical record keeper and if I have even a doubt.. the seeds go into my Plant A X unknown stack that I plant or donate to my junior gardeners to play with.
Thanks everyone - you have made me feel much better.
Shelly

The bottom line is that you can never know if a seed cross is 'legitimate' since the progeny can come from generations back. I agree with a previous poster that buying seeds is a crap shoot and you might as well play the slot machines!

It always amazes me when I see really big bucks paid for a few seeds with impressive parents. There's a sucker born ......... I have to hand it to the sellers -- sure is much easier to sell seeds than to dig, divide, and package plants!