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New here and need help!

16 years ago

Hi All,

This is my first time over here and I am seeking advice.

(I have been a regular for many years over on the Roses forum and I recognize a few friends from over there.)

I have grown a few daylilies through the years, but until

now was mostly into roses and true lilies from bulbs.

After battling with the japanese beetles every summer, who

pretty much destroy all my beloved roses from the beginning of July right til frost, it finally occurred to me that I need to find another 'addiction' that is not so

high-maintenance. (Not that I will ever give up on my roses). So I checked some of the websites of daylily vendors, which was a big mistake because now I'm officially

hooked on daylilies! I had no idea there were so many,

or so many gorgeous ones! I already have about a dozen, but mine are mostly NOIDS and not very special, and I just mixed them up in my perennial beds. I particularly like

the daylilies with the eyezones and ruffly edges and found myself making a big wishlist and getting ready to order from Maryott's to take advantage of their BOGO offer.

But before I do, I wanted to ask you all a couple of questions.

First, my zone used to be zone 4, but I think now it is

more like zone 5. Not to sound stupid, but can I grow

evergreen and semievergreen daylilies here, or do I have to stick to dormant varities? I never have mulched the ones I have, but would mulch these, regardless of type.

Also, for those of you who have ordered from Maryott's

this time of year, do they ship them out immediately?

And how late is too late to plant them out in zone 4/5?

Also, because Maryott's is in a warmer climate and their

lilies have not been grown in a climate like mine, will that be a problem? I know there are other vendors who grow daylilies in climates more like mine, but I really

like some of the ones I see on their site and like the sale they have going now. Am I making a mistake?

Thanks for your help! I have a feeling I will be on here reading and enjoying all your photos from now on.

Comments (13)

  • 16 years ago

    It's great that a daylily really does look like a rose with all the doubles and frillys! I don't grow roses but the daylilys fills the need to see the rose like flowers in the garden,

  • 16 years ago

    The foliage habit isn't necessarily connected to the hardiness. Some dormants can be tender, and some evergreens quite hardy. If a cultivar is called a 'hard dormant' though, it must have a winter dormancy to thrive. I can't speak to Maryott's except it's popular on this site. I haven't ordered from there myself. Yet.

    I found that nothing protects my roses like a grape vine. JBs prefer grape leaves to anything on earth, and they will pile up on top of one another munching away right until you knock them off into a cup of hot soapy water. The Tropicana climber one foot away did not have one bite taken of it.

  • 16 years ago

    Foliage type isnt always going to be accurate indicator of cold hardiness.

    If you're purchasing from a local vendor(whether they be a big box retailer or a local nursery or hybridizer) you shouldnt have any problems planting now.

    If you're ordering from a vendor or a hybridizer that grows in a different growing zone and or substantially different climate, for instance... central OH v/s central or northern CA. I'd recommend waiting till the following spring, that would give your new purchases an entire growing season to acclimate to your growing zone.

    Donald

  • 16 years ago

    I know when I first started I asked Bill Maryott how all my evergreens and semi evergreens would do here in my climate. He honestly couldn't say. But did advise planting early in the summer. Before August. To let them get nice and established before winter. And also to mulch.

    But as I since learned it is much more than will these daylilies survive the winder. Most did and do just fine. But things like branching and budcount are affected. So I satarted looking for more nothern hybridized and nothern hardy.

    Before you make your finial decisions you might want to look at nothern hybridizers like Karol Emmerich (Springwood Gardens) Richard Norris (Ashwood) Bryan Culver (Culver Farms) Melanie Mason (Longlesson Daylilies) Phil Korth (Pinwood Gardens) and others.

    I would also recommend you take a look at the intros of Charmaine Rich up close to you in VT. I have all of her intros except the 2010 one. Fabulous for the north and so pretty.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Holden Heaven Daylilies.

  • 16 years ago

    I am new too, and just ordered from Maryott's, and yes, they ship quickly. I am going to plant them as soon as they arrive, and I am in zone 4. I only have experience of transplanting already established ones at this same time of the year, and they did just fine. Hope for the same with bareroots from the south!

    >> I found that nothing protects my roses like a grape vine. JBs prefer grape leaves to anything on earth, and they will pile up on top of one another munching away right until you knock them off into a cup of hot soapy water. The Tropicana climber one foot away did not have one bite taken of it.>>

    I thought so too last year. Unfortunately, this year, they ate the grape leaves, and then started on my roses. I only have 3, I like the flowers very much, but.. It's cold here, plus those darn bugs eat the flowers as soon as they open, leaving nothing. At first they didn't touch Knockout, but as they finished with other 2 roses, they started on KO too..

  • 16 years ago

    Here is a website daylilies on ice that lists some of the northern hybridizers. By the way Melanie Mason's garden is named Northcountry Gardens

    Here is a link that might be useful: Daylilies on Ice

  • 16 years ago

    THANK YOU everybody for your responses.
    Right after posting this thread,
    I did email Bill Maryott with some of my concerns and he
    responded quickly. What a nice gentleman! I went ahead
    and ordered a few since he said it is ok to plant in New
    England now, and I couldn't resist the BOGO sale. I intend
    to mulch these and they're going in where its a nice warm
    spot. I will also look up the sites you all suggested so
    that I have plenty to ponder for the future.
    Along with roses, I think I have found another wonderful
    addiction!

    As far as the grapes, the interesting thing is that my dad
    grows hundreds of grapes and the japanese beetles devour his (but he also doesn't grow roses). My yard is predominately roses in the hundreds (mixed with perennials and lilies) and although I do have a few grape vines, I have never once seen a japanese beetle on my grapes.

  • 16 years ago

    Hi Celeste, Welcome to another world of enablers just as bad as the rose enablers. But wait...your one of those rose enablers, at least one of mine. lol!! The folks on this forum are as nice as they are on the rose forum and have some absolutely gorgeous lilies. I never really had any newer varieties but this year I hope to change that. I have mostly bought from a local grower but they mostly have older varieties and looking at everyones beauties on here made me want some newer ones. I don't really have any advice just wanted to chat with ya for a minute. I do love my roses but my daylilies are much less demanding. Thanks goodness! I hope you have tons of fun with your new addiction and just know we are all here to encourage you to buy more. lol!! Oh yeah, you might also want some of those lilies that stay bloomed out longer than a day. Not sure what their variety is but they are on taller stems with shorter leaves and have clusters of lilies at the top. Their blooms last longer than a day and are super gorgeous too. Just some food for thought!! See ya, Judy

  • 16 years ago

    Hiya, Judy!
    I have a distinct feeling that I will be enabled quite nicely here! Its only been a couple weeks that I've been coming over here and peeking at the threads and I've already placed an order with Maryott's. Like you, I love my roses but this summer I have my hands full taking care of my elderly mom who has Alzheimer's and my new grandbaby, and roses are so high-maintenance, especially here where the japanese beetles are destroying every single bloom. I feel overwhelmed by having hundreds of roses and trying to keep them looking their best.
    I do have about a dozen daylilies that were purchased years ago but never had labels so their identities are unknown. They're rather plain and boring but carefree....and I am starting to gravitate to flowers that are carefree at this point in my life where I'm so busy.
    After going onto numerous daylily vendor websites and coming here and enjoying all the lovely photos, I fell in love with daylilies. I never knew they were so varied and so gorgeous! Around here, all they sell are the plain oranges and yellows. I do grow true lilies (the asiatics, orientals, OTs, etc. from bulbs) already and have upwards of 100. I adore them and they are so fragrant and last for weeks. The only downside is that here in New Hampshire we have an awful red lily beetle that destroys the lily leaves and blooms and is real hard to control.
    Likewise, we have the dreaded japanese beetles that destroy roses. So while walking around my yard one day, it finally hit me that the perennials and the daylilies were the only plants unaffected by the various beetles and I vowed to grow more of them. I came here, saw some unbelievably gorgeous daylilies and the rest is history.

    I can't wait to make new friends here and one day be able to post some gorgeous lilies of my own!

    So glad you are here to encourage (oops!) enable me!

    Celeste

    some of the true lilies that I grow already....




    And iris.....(I have so many addictions!)

  • 16 years ago

    Oooooh Celeste, There you go, already enabling. Shameless you are. lol! I know what you mean with so many addictions. I also have a hosta and phlox addiction. I have tried iris because my mother in law grew tons of them but have not had great luck with but I do aim to try a few more mixed in with my other lovelies!

    Wow, didn't realize you had a new grandbaby. Hows your daughter doing? I remember you telling us about the boyfriend and all of that but I do believe there was a great ending. But my old brain gets things confused sometimes. Really not that old, almost 50, at least I don't consider that old. ha ha!! I hope your mom is doing great. Love the pictures you post of you and her. Alrighty gotta go finish getting my Maryotts lilies in some dirt. I haven't gotten their permanent bed ready so gotta give them a temp home til its ready. Have a great day, Judy

  • 16 years ago

    Oh! What beautiful lilies you have! What is the gorgeous pink one third from the top? I love it! I have just the spot for a pink lily like that! Thanks for sharing your pictures of them.

    By the way, you will love Maryott's! I just started ordering from them this year too and was so happy that I made a second order. They informed me that the order was shipped on Monday and I received it on Wed.!!! That is from CA to OH! Fantastic!

    aunt lou

  • 16 years ago

    Hi again!

    aunt lou....thank you for your comments. The pink lily you like is a new one called 'Napa Valley' (B & D Lilies sells it). I am so excited to receive my Maryott's order and wish it were here already...lol.

    Judy...love talkin' to you. My daughter is doing great, thanks for asking. And yes, I am a grandma! (My son's).
    If you are interested in seeing a picture of him, as well as some more lilies and roses, I just did a thread over on the Antique Roses forum with loads of photos. Take care!

    Celeste

  • 16 years ago

    Hey, Checked out your post and that Conner is a little cutie. I forgot to tell you congrats on the other thread. And all your flowers looked yummo!! I know what ya mean about the heat and no rain. Our spring was gorgeous here and then from mid May til now its been in the 90's, high 90's and noooo rain. No fun for sure!! See ya, Judy