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Eureka moment

16 years ago

I grow my daylilies in boxes because I live on FL beach sand. Mr. Kinnebrew was kind enough to show my husband exactly how to build the boxes. Now I have 6 of them and a soiless mixture of spagham peat moss, ground pinebark and perlite fills the boxes. Most daylilies flourish in this system but some have not.

In the past 3 weeks I had 3 daylilies succumb to rot. I've been able to save 4 others from that fate with Kaphite. Last year, 2 or 3 rotted. Previous year, the same. Also, I had a number of cultivars that failed to flourish. Oh well, that's the breaks, right?

Just before I went to sleep last night, my brain threw up the message, "It's the corners". Well, I shot up in bed all excited. Wanted to send an email to the friend in North FL who received many of my dl that failed to thrive. I resisted, but I didn't sleep.

Before going further, I admit to being anal with record keeping, but I have maps of where I plant dayliles dating back 4 years--that's when we sprouted boxes.

This a.m. I checked the locations of the plants that have rotted in the past 3 years. They were in the corners of the boxes--that's where I put my favorite plants. Then I made a list of plants that had failed to thrive. Going over those saved maps, I found that all but one of the "failures to thrive" grew in the corners of their respective boxes.

I talked to my friend in north FL, she immediately offered to replace my RUBY FANTASY, because that is an all time favorite, it lived in a corner, and it rotted. I sent it to her to save the plant.

Discussions with my friend, her husband, my husband, and my errant brain (yes I do talk to it and with it), we can't decide if the treated wood is saturated with moisture or if the chemicals in that wood are a problem. To make this more interesting, numerous cultivars are very happy in corners. The answer I developed was to use ceramic tiles, and slide them down the sides of the box to prevent moisture from leaching into the root zone. We found wall tiles at 67 cents at Lowes and the size is perfect. Slide my stainless small shovel down the side of the box and slide in the tile lengthwise, ceramic side toward the plants.

This is going to be an experiment that I will start tomorrow. One of my favorites (of course) is trying to rot for the second time this year. I've already used Kaphite and tomorrow I'll use the tile.

Extreme? Not if $150 plants fail to survive and are given away. With this method I'm thinking I'll be able to grow things that flourish. Last year my husband and I redid the back boxes that sit on the ground. I emptied them, we reinforced the bottoms of the boxes and raised then off the ground. We righted them, I filled them and planted. I don't want to go through that again.

Whew! If the problem can be solved this easily, life will be great! However, I do believe in the Murphy factor ... we just don't know where this will lead us. Thanks for reading!

Comments (5)

  • 16 years ago

    That was a very interesting post. Hmmm. It just shows your brain was working on the problem even if you weren't aware of it. Keep us posted on how it turns out. I don't suppose you could easily build round boxes and eliminate the corners. It would require a lot of wood bending, but I suppose it could be done if this doesn't work out.

    I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
    kay

  • 16 years ago

    Kay, the problem is that plants in the middle of the box grow really well. On the extreme outer edges and especially in the corners, some of the plants don't do well at all. I installed four 8x10" tiles this a.m. Easy enough to do and cheap enough. The wood was thoroughly wet but the soil was damp but not wet. The bottom of the boxes is landscape fabric and it lets the water drain easily.

    My husband and I talked about it earlier and he asked why the Kinnebrews don't have the problem. I think it is because their boxes at 18" off the ground. Of course, they've been at it for years and have figured out a soil mix that works for them. Most of our boxes are 8" off the ground, just enough to prevent intrusion by roots and nutgrass. However, my big box in the front yard isn't raised and the problem is significant there too. I dug out an empty corner and found the really wet wood. The soil isn't packed down either--that soiless mix won't pack!

    Thanks for the encouragement and I will post again! If this isn't the answer, I'm at a loss.

  • 16 years ago

    Beachlily,

    I was thinking about your absorption problem and it occurred to me that you might be able to easily (and inexpensively) line you boxes with the styrofoam they sell at Lowe's and other big box stores. It is about a half inch thick, 12 inches by four feet. I bought some of it to use as a cold shield on the perimeter of my greenhouse. You could easily line the sides of the box with it, but of course your tile should work.
    kay

  • 16 years ago

    Thanks for the thought, Kay! I pondered using stryofoam too. The reason for the tiles is that they are tougher and when I start digging in about a month, they can withstand some abuse if I'm careful. Also, I'm using a small piece of 2x4 and a rubber hammer to get them down to a uniform level.

    On the cheerful side, the department manager at Lowes took pity on this gardener (sort of beat on by my husband whose negotiating techniques embarrass me at times). Anyway, when I told the mgr. that the tiles I selected were the PERFECT size, he gave us his card with the notation to reduce the price to 50 cents each. They were unboxed and he thought they look unsightly. The mgr. told me if this didn't work to just bring the tiles back--I gulped and told him they would be stained with soil. He didn't have a problem with that! We brought 60 of them home. Easy peasy to put them in and I've nearly finished one box. Currently, I'm doing corners and running the tiles down to the first healthy plant. Husband asked if I shouldn't just do it all, but this decision was made because I didn't want to mess with plants that are happy!

    Obviously fall is coming because the plants are regaining their lushness and there is no rust I can see! Life is good! A couple of cultivars are sending up a lonesome scape. I think there is a contest going on among the plants. It appears that one cultivar out there just wants to be the last scape standing! Love those daylilies!

    Arlene

  • 16 years ago

    Hey Arlene, Interesting post, thanks. Do follow up and let us know if it solves the problem. I had a thought...would drilling holes in the corners of the wood boxes for better air circulation and quicker drainage help? You could experiment with different size drill bits...making them increasingly larger if needed. It's just an idea. I've never grown in boxes. Best of luck!
    Kathy

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