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Late Emerging Hostas

19 years ago

At this point I'm thankful some of my hostas have not come up yet (a few less to protect from the frost), but I'm also somewhat concerned they may not have made it. I recall Jimmy Crack Corn was very late last year. However, Abba Dabba Do and Lakeside Elfin Fire are two that haven't peeked out yet. Can anyone tell me if they are late to emerge. Abba Dabba Do is planted near a Coral Bell that didn't survive the winter.

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  • 19 years ago

    Lynn you must have been reading my mind!
    I was going to ask a similar question about hostas that have not appeared yet, as I have 3 no shows.

    Mine are Morning Light. It's planted in the ground and was the first one last fall to begin withering away.
    I'm pretty sure this one is gone.

    The other two are in pots, Great Expectations and Tattoo.
    I know many have been disappointed with GE, but I thought since it was potted, it would make it.

    Are these late emergers? If they are gone I probably won't replace them.

    Really for my first full season growing hosta, I'm pleased that out of 26 hosta, I only lost 3, and tempermental ones at that.

    Janet

  • 19 years ago

    Great Expectations is very late don't worry and don't do anything about any of them NOW. Say a little prayer that some aren't up and WAIT, don't go pulling off mulch looking and exposing the soil to the sun. We are well ahead of the last frost free date, leave them alone or if you must do something dig them and throw them into Ken's drive way.

  • 19 years ago

    Girls, it's way too early to worry about hosta not up yet.
    But THREE weeks from now, they should look this far along . .
    Picture taken on 5/05

  • 19 years ago

    Well then there's still hope.
    Has this been an unusually early year for the hostas to emerge? I can remember last year when I thought my Frances William wasn't going to show, but then she did and it was much later than now, but this year she is up about 4" already.

    IF they still don't show, I'll be glad to make them driveway hostas, lol.

    Wow, Maryann! Are those your plants? What a selection!
    But most of mine are that far along, or more already! Well this cold spell should teach them not to be in such a hurry to break ground, lol.

    Janet

  • 19 years ago

    Janet, I try to keep them all dormant until the lst week of May by covering them thickly with loose straw, pine needle or chopped leaf mulch. Once immerged, they grow so fast. Two weeks later . . .

    These were lst year potted plants I sunk into this nursery bed the previous fall.

  • 19 years ago

    Mary Ann, this is probably a dumb question but why do you keep them in the pots if you sink the pots in the ground??
    Inquiring minds like to know:)

  • 19 years ago

    Those are in pots for a lot of reasons . .

    1. Young bare roots can develop faster,
    2. Loose soil promotes thicker roots,
    3. Better control of moisture and nutrients,
    4. Will be used in container displays,
    5. My dog doesn't poop in pots,
    6. Or I haven't decided yet where permanent home will be,
    and there's probably more. lol

  • 19 years ago

    Lynn - since we are in the same city, I'm guessing that I am a pretty good "test subject" for your question. :)

    My Abba Dabba Do has not come up yet. I dug down a little bit and I can see it's eyes below the soil so I know it's alive but not in a hurry to come up yet.

    L. Elfin Fire is poking its nose out right now. Not far...but I can see it.

    I don't have JCC so I'm not sure about it...?

    Hope this helps! :)

    Andrea

  • 19 years ago

    Andrea, thank you. My JCC actually is up now and my LEF was about 1/4" up yesterday, still no Abba Dabba which is good since they are forecasting accumulating snow this weekend though temperatures no lower than 30. I haven't decided if I'm going to cover them again or only the ones most exposed to the weather. I was not able to cover my lemon lime plants that are an edger and they survived fine.

  • 19 years ago

    It would be really great information if we posted when each cultivar first appears. We could avoid buying the early ones!

    It wouldn't matter where you are it is the order that they appear that would matter.

  • 19 years ago

    This is the first year for the majority of mine, and it's too late now for me to post when they each first started to appear because they have all been up for at least a couple of weeks or more, except the ones I previously said have not appeared yet, GE, Morning Light and Tattoo.

    I only know that Frances Williams is much earlier this year than she was last year.

    I wish I did keep track now, if only for my own reference.

    Janet

  • 19 years ago

    Good idea EO...I'm going to do it next year. I'm also going to record who goes dormant in which order.

    Lynne - your hostas are at the same place mine are right now.

    Interestingly, today I noticed that I forgot to cover my FULLY (fully fully) LEAFED Clausa when the freeze happened last week and it is untouched!

  • 19 years ago

    Morning Light and JCC are slow to emerge here too. JCC is just now growing it's eyes,and Morning Light has tiny little leaves. Phil

  • 19 years ago

    Andrea, I just looked at the forecast for the weekend and now they say not as cold. I hope they are right.

  • 19 years ago

    YAY!!! I'm officially finished coddling everything so that's good. LOL

    Lynn...are you going to the AHS Convention?

  • 19 years ago

    Be thankful they are still tucked in under the protection of soil. Several of my early emerging Hostas look like cooked spinach. I pray these will send up new growth to replace this mush.

  • 19 years ago

    Mine are trying to decide if they want to look awful or continue to struggle along and make it w/ these cold nights. I think the rain saved us last night!

  • 19 years ago

    I'm asking the question again, what came out early and suffered? This information should inform those making buying decisions.

    Pauls Glory, Regal Splendor are still safely under mulch, of course Aureo Marginata is burned while On Stage, Kinkaku, Mountain Snow, Whirlwind all grand hosta.

  • 19 years ago

    The only things that was unassisted and didn't suffer were Clausa, various undulata & albomarginata (north side next to house) and Sugar and Cream. My lancifolia did amazingly well but are not unscathed. Everything else that I have was assisted.

    I will make a list of the stuff that wouldn've gotten their pants frosted off if I didn't help them in a minute.

  • 19 years ago

    E-O,

    I just was out looking at the damage the freeze and snow caused my hosta. My neighbor next door on my north came out and we walked around her yard. If there is a difference of just a few yards between our beds with emerging hosta of the same kind, imagine what a difference a few miles can make.

    She had none of the damage I did! All her bare ground hosta aren't above the ground yet like mine are except for one bed which she hadn't cleared off from the fall.

    My pesty bunny friends have been feasting on hosta eyes too! A fence will go up around that bed tomorrow!

    Connie

  • 19 years ago

    Connie are you saying yours are mulch and hers are not?

    This goes against what I think I know about keep the soil cool in the spring!

    Also I don't think I've seen Striptease?

  • 19 years ago

    The only two that have not peaked out yet and usually are the latest are ON STAGE (the last) and DAYBREAK.
    As of today.
    I'll see ON STAGE in a couple of weeks.

  • 19 years ago

    None of my 3 Striptease are up either.

    Also not up yet:
    Abba Dabba Do
    Frances Williams
    Blue Angel
    Elvis Lives
    Gold Edger
    Fragrant Blue
    Frosted Dimples
    Wogon Gold
    Sea Prize
    Dick Ward
    Queen of Islip
    Fire Opal
    Silk Kimono

    That's all I can think of right now...more to follow

  • 19 years ago

    Out of mine, the ones showing damage are:

    Royal Standard had a few unfurled leaves and even though I was covering it the leaves are limp and frost bitten.

    Salute had barely begun to unfurl, but the tips are withered and showing damage.

    Carnival is frost bitten on the tips.

    All the others seem ok so far. Still cold here tongiht, low about 33. So once again, I covered them and hauled the pots back in the garage... (sigh)

    Janet

  • 19 years ago

    Guess it really depends on where you are. Out here on the Left Coast, Fragrant Blue has been up for me for the last 3 weeks, although no leaves have unfurled as yet. My Striptease is up-n-at-it and went from 5 shoots last year to 13 this year, talk about vigorous....and I discovered another Hyacinthina division during our first plant sale of the season that is sporting. Needles to say it was kept back :-)

  • 19 years ago

    None of my hosta are unfurled yet, most just eyes up 1 to 2 inches high, except for Lancifolia, and a lot of those felt mushy when I touched them so I don't know how they will turn out. Quite a few not emerging yet for which I am thankful!

    Most of my hostas are bare ground, no mulch since I added 3 or 4 inches of compost over what little mulch I had in my biggest beds last spring.The crowns of the plants didn't get covered when the compost was applied. I have pine mulch under the pine tree hostas.

    I'm saying she has bare beds also, no mulch.

    Hope that answers your question E-O.

    Connie

  • 19 years ago

    MY hostas with green eyes are all freeze damaged. They were up about 6 inches, with leaves beginning to unfurl. However, the hostas with purple eyes were not bothered by the freeze!
    Also, the purple eyed hostas were not purple last year (at least I didn't notice it) and are not nearly as far along as the green eyed ones are (or were). My question: what is the meaning of the purple eyes? Are all late-emerging hostas purple-eyed? It sounds stupid, I know, but I really am curious. This is my second year gardening. BBB

  • 19 years ago

    I'm saying she has bare beds also, no mulch.

    Hope that answers your question E-O.

    Connie

    Don't know unless you can observe a difference? I'm not asking for you to try to hard because it may make you see something that isn't there. If there is a difference in shade then that will affect soil temp and it may mean nothing if no plants are up.

    For many of us this is a bad spring but there may be valuable knowledge to come out of it.

  • 19 years ago

    Andrea, I should go to the convention since it's in Indy this year. I'll check into it. My Frances Williams, Gold Edger and Blue Angel are up. I'll check my Abba Dabba Do tonight. I also need to check on June and Bright Lights because I'm not sure they survived the winter. It's finally supposed to be warmer today so I'll check all of them when I get home.

  • 19 years ago

    Lynn Lynn Lynn, it is way to early to judge whether a plant will come back.

  • 19 years ago

    All the rest of mine are up and most are leafed out, but I'm trying to be patient.

  • 19 years ago

    Bright Lights is Tokudama...SLOW to come up. None of my Tokudamas are up and June isn't either.

  • 19 years ago

    I checked last night and June is up just barely. I'm glad Bright Lights is slow to come up. I also realized Beckoning hasn't come up yet either.

  • 19 years ago

    I have many that aren't up yet - probably half. The only one that I know I lost is Lakeside Little Gem. A squirrel is rubbing his belly over that one. LOL

  • 19 years ago

    Great topic Lynn,
    First of all, this Global Warming Thing is a joke. No signs of GW in northern Ohio. In past years, several of mine were up by April 15, about 9" tall, including Manfred's Delight. Francis Williams used to up early and get burned, but so far no sign of it. About a 100 Albomarginatas have eyes about 3" tall. Liberty is the first one, starting to unfurl after I had it covered most of last week.
    Even comparing with others in the same region is useless, altitude makes a big difference. Here in Zone 5, Cleveland at 460 feet is a whole month ahead of areas 15 miles to the south at 1100 feet.
    Just hang in there.
    Manfred