Star also lists FJ Grootendoorst, Pink Grootendoost, John Cabot, Henry Kelsey, and Blushing Knockout.
Too late this year to order roses IMHO, but it's something Adams might think about for next year.
Dee, Wonderland Nursery in Rhinebeck had The Fairy and one of the Grootendoorst's when I was there yesterday. Nice bushy plants of The Fairy, loaded with buds and in excellent condition. When I suggested it to the lady from the Church of the Messiah, she said she liked hybrid teas. And this after the church lost all 12 of the hybrid teas in their little bed of roses. Story's in Freehold has Topaz Jewel, John Thompson, Wild Spice and Therese Bugnet and I'm going to see if I can persuade her to try at least Topaz Jewel.

Oldroser, you are right - I should have said for next years orders :)

Will add the ones you named to the list. I've never been to Story's - just checked, it is not far from me - will drive up on Saturday and will stop in at Wonderland tomorrow on my way back from Botanical Garden (if I have any money left).

Don't know why folks insist on growing and losing HTs up here - I guess florists and advertising have warped ideas of what "roses" are. I'm not completely anti-HT, there were a few I liked having when I lived further south (am now trying hard to remember what they were), but most leave me cold.

Dee

Dee, you need to start an antique rose nursery around here! I was just thinking yesterday (while poking mournfully through a bunch of overbred HT's at a local nursery) that it's ridiculous that there isn't one! It would do so well! At Adams last year they had quite a few David Austins - and the Abraham Darby I bought from them was the only one out of six I planted last year that survived this last winter - but I can't think of any place nearby that sells the antiques. Has anyone looked at The Phantom Gardener? I wonder what they've got.

Vanderbilt will be selling antique roses at their plant sale on Memorial Day. I know because I'm giving the roses. The Apothecary Rose is already down there. Common Moss will be going, as will probably a few other bits and pieces.

The best rose selection I've found locally is at Beardsley in Sharon. They are expensive. Phantom Gardener currently only has a lot of 'easy care' roses most of which aren't particularly hardy.

BTW, given the trouble I have had giving this stuff away, I can't imagine trying to make a living at it.

Kay, where is Vanderbilt? Checked Beardsley - very pricey - no savings there.

Shaolin, I'd love to start a nursery, not for money - just for the fun of it, but am currently "growing" baby goats. which takes up a lot of time. Anyone who wants "goat berries" (goat poop is great fertilizer) is welcome to come by and load up :) - free. And if you know how to milk a goat, you can have free goat milk too. We got the goats to clear scrub from the property - which they do a great job of - and they are now pets. Only problem is they are multiplying :).

Dee

Vanderbilt is in Hyde Park - part of the Roosevelt national park. The plant sale will be set up next to the visitor's center parking lot. The big news is that we will be having a tent this year, but even without a tent it isn't hard to find. I'm currently signed up to be there 11 - 2 on Sunday.

Another good local plant sale is the weekend after Memorial Day at Clermont. It's June 5, 10-3. Phantom Gardener has a flyer out on the counter. I'm not exactly sure how that one is going to work this year, since rumor has it Clermont has picked up an admission fee for the grounds this year.

And, if anybody hasn't heard yet, the IES spring plant sale is this coming weekend. Friday and Saturday 10-4, Sunday 11-4. Well worth a trip to Millbrook. I've heard they have divided some of their historic daylilies, and there will be some very rare things for sale. They also usually sell some roses from Pickering. Not antiques, but rugosas and Explorer types. It can be a very interesting sale.

I don't think I'm being overly pessimistic by saying it looks like I'll have to go to the IES sale to replace my Opuntia.

Dee,

I just might take you up on the goat fertilizer someday soon! Have to see if my dynamulch is all they say it is...

Maybe you could learn to make goat cheese and have a dairy/rose business combo! My family kept a couple of pygmy goats when I was growing up and I remember how much energy they took. Sweet animals, but really needy! They would follow us all around our yard and then try to follow us right into the house. I think they would have sat on the couch and watched TV with us if we had let them.

But perhaps if the goats ever get under control you will come round to the antique rose nursery idea again. That would be so amazing to have something like that so close by! I, for one, would frequent it religiously!

I bought two (Star) David Austin Roses at Adams this spring. While I was planting them, I noticed they were grafted on rootstocks. I was a little disappointed because I thought 'own root' plants would be hardier here. Anyone know about this?

I think you have to get to Adams in March or April to get the good roses. They're all gone by now. I will also talk to the manager there about getting hardier roses. If more of us request it, he will be more likely to respond.

Hybrid tea roses are like annuals up here. I just plant very fragrant old roses now. I don't care if they don't have long stems like the HT's. I float them in a bowl of water and just sniff them. I buy roses for the scent.

My Zephirine Drouhin doesn't want to grow well. It's now putting up shoots from the base of the plant. Have others had a lot of climbing rose winterkill? I lost 3 this year.

When you plant your rose, make sure the bud union is at least an inch or two below the ground, and a grafted rose will be at least as good as an own root plant. (Some say deeper, but I've found two inches to be plenty deep here.)

Went to Phantom Gardener last week and got Topaz Jewel, John Davis and Linda Campbell for that church garden. They were in nice shape and loaded with buds so they should look good almost instantly. And I did stress that they should be planted with the bud union 2" under ground level. with any kind of luck it should be both colorful and durable.