don't know the first gorgeous one, but the 2nd one is Thornbird.

your photos are wonderful;
I think yours is the very best representation of Thornbird I ever saw.

Thanks Sylviatexas.

I have a large group of Thornbird and really don't care for it - I guess I should offer it for trade.

Penny

I'm not sure about 'Haut Les Voiles'. There are some excellent pictures of bloom, stalk bud placement and beard at d_ves gard__

Here's the long list of that color combo.

Act Three - blyth'93
Amethyst Sunset MTB
?Anxiously Ahead - 2 diff photos
Appreciation hager'83
Better Half otterness'00
Betty Simon - AM'79 yel hafts
Beyond Dreams miller'04 ribs lav, shoulders yel
Bold Accent - fall edge brown
Carter Spring F.lav fading to wht edges
Cheerful One ?
Chuckwagon black'03 fall edged lighter, vy pale yel S.
Designer Art - kerr lg area wht around B.
Disco Eclipse - F.edged yel with lav. cnt. stripe=bleeds johnson03
Doodads black'04 SA F.edged tan
Double Scoop
Dream of You - lav rims
Dream Til Dawn blyth'03, fall edges lighter
Earthsong HM97 kegerise
Edith Wolford
Final Episode '01 RE
Forgotten Secret
From A Distance - yel/viol child of edith
Guys N Dolls
Haut Les Voiles
In Your Dreams - ribs blu, B.blu-lav child of edith
Kona Waves fall edges rimmed tan
Kool Knight dk haft area, fall edges lt Dunn'98
Lilac Champane AM68
Lordly Ways
Lydia Safan Swaistyn F.lav banded brown
Lynsy Alexander - pretty
My Old Friend hager'02
New Age Dawning vy pastel richardson'06
Nothing To Lose ernst'92
Oasis Cathy - fall edged brn
Oasis Dragon SA
Oasis Royal Charm SA
Obi Wan Kenobi beige/lav B.deep yel
Passaparola fall edged brown
Pixie Dust
Ragtime rim brown 82
Robe d'Ete
Royal Ovation BB
Sandy Beach
Sky King Returns
Star Walker dennis'92 B.orn ending light, F.rimmed beige
Sundown Saber - fall ringed
Sunnyside Delight '02 yel/purp rimmed beige
Sunset Silhouette F.edged brown Black'09
Sunset Sky '69 F.rim
Swedish Modern
Swedish Spring 89
Tender Tune Burseen'96
Tequila Sunrise 77 fall edge
Thrillseeker
Tumultueux - cayeux'95
Two Sided Coin
Wonderful To See - kerr'01 vy pale lav over yel
Zebedee - jameson95 none

Not sure what that first one is, but from Irisgal's list you can eliminate: ANXIOUSLY AHEAD, DOUBLE SCOOP, DREAM OF YOU, EDITH WOLFORD, KOOL KNIGHT, OBI WAN KENOBI, RAGTIME, TUMULTEUX, TWO SIDED COIN and WONDERFUL TO SEE.

Hey Penelope,

I got your email on Thornbird's name, and got my tag corrected. I rather like it, in a strange sort of way. Thanks!

Sue