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root mass???

i like to tell folks.. that a tree can be twice as big below ground.. as above.. though in a different form ...

and a transplanted tree is not 'established' .. until it has a root mass twice whatever size it is ... and it needs PROPER WATERING until such time.. after which.. it should be rather free range ...

soooo ... in that 'is it june' post ... i was seeing a small cup [which i now think was a bigger white pot, but regardless] ... and wondering if any of you diggem em up and mov'em peeps.. have any thoughts on biomass root mass vs mature plant size opinions ... i suggested that the plant as seen.. will be much smaller next year ... until it grows enough roots ... to be 'normal' ....

in simpler words.. would you say that the root mass needs to be as big as the plant you want to see [double???] ... is this a function of having to wait 5 to 7 to 10 years for an Xlarge to get extra large??? or why smalls are mature in a year or to ...

its a rather simple question.. that is taking a lot of words to ask.. lol ...

can anyone dig up a mature plant in the middle of the season ... cut off all the leaves at the crown.. weigh them ... then clean off the roots .. and weigh them.. and do this with 20 or so plants to compare ... lol.. thought not..

which leaves us with gazing at our belly buttons shootin' the 'nure ... go to it..

ken

Comments (4)

  • 14 years ago

    I bet some could do it with a field of Lancifolia ken! LOL

    If I had 11 more I would have 22 and I'd do it next summer. That would leave me with two to keep going.

    Les

  • 14 years ago

    Interesting observation, Ken.

    We often speak in terms of 'mature' divisions when, in fact, you can have less than mature hosta divisions. That particular June that you referenced is what I'd call a teenaged-young adult divide...about a growing season shy of being mature.

    I've divided a lot of hosta but most all of 'em have been common ones like albomarginata or 'the green one' and have not paid any attention to the size of the divide in relation to the next year's performance. Or Halcyon which is slowern' molasses so there's never much to see! (Of course, Halcyon will take a lot of abuse and mine have been mostly ignored...)

    However, I did purchase a Touch of Class 'mature' division this summer. In reality, it wasn't quite that. Had an offset that I divided off and planted separately in a pot to baby along. The larger division was planted in the ground early this summer; the smaller one I kept in a pot to baby along and just planted it yesterday. I'm keen to see what it will look like Next year. TOC, being in the Halcyon family, hopefully isn't so slow as H.

    OTOH, I look around at all the Halcyon plants that I have divided off one original plant & realize that I'd a one spectacular H specimen only if I hadn't been so shovel happy.

  • 14 years ago

    Interesting Ken, I've been thinking about this for a while. I have some seedlings that I started in the hydroplanter this winter and moved outdoors in pots this summer. I transplanted the plain green ones into the park in back of me last week and was amazed at the root balls on these hostas ..... first year seedlings with a root mass larger than some of my second and third year tissue cultures.

    Gesila

  • 14 years ago

    I like the image you create there, Ken. It seems valid to me.

    Even after 4 or 5 years being cut down, the roots of a big pine stump (left it tall for the wild birds and vines to climb), I'm digging out roots partially decayed, or finding the fungi that are nourished by such roots in far corners of the garden.

    I've sized my hosta pots according to the root mass, not the top growth. Could that be why I'm winding up with much bigger tops at the end of the season?

    Another interesting article about good trees for the hosta garden is in the current issue of The Hosta Journal. If you are a member, you get the issue. I'm pleased to note that my choice tree, ginkgo biloba, is among the good trees.
    My river birch (betula negra) is not...hopefully those riverbank roots won't be travelling 100 feet to make digging any more of a problem than it is.

    Overall, I think I'm liking the idea of hosta in containers more every day. That article in The Hosta Journal about the Goodwin Garden in Britain, he has 350 hosta in containers, and it is a show place! I should LIVE SO LONG, to see it happen here? Naaaaaah.

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