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I think I my passiflora hybridized itself?

12 years ago

I have a Lady Margaret passion vine that is doing amazingly well (in just over a year it has overtaken my entire side fence and a ficus that looks much better draped in flowers!). Today, I noticed that I have a new type of flower blooming on a vine that has ALWAYS produced solid raspberry blooms. On the other side of my yard (you have to walk 50 feet back, 50 feet across, and another 20 feet up to get to it - it's blocked by the house) I have a passion vine that produces flowers with alternating purple and white petals.

Anyhow - today, I noticed that I now have white and pink alternating petals on some of my blooms...has anyone seen this with a Lady Margaret or do I have a hybrid vine growing among its mother plant?

Comments (20)

  • 12 years ago

    I think Lady Margaret is a hybrid between P. vitifolia and P. Caerulea, it would be interesting to see what happened. What a beautiful flower, it has the look of caerulea.

  • 12 years ago

    That's a really nice flower in my opinion. At first I thought maybe you had a 'Jennifer Grace' or 'Kew Gardens' that somehow got planted there. However, it looks distinct from those, I think.

    I was about to email a friend who makes hybrids. I'll see if he can take a look at your photo.

  • 12 years ago

    Thank you! That would be much appreciated. I tagged the vine that produced the new flower with an orchid clip, and there's a new bud opening right next to the original flower with the same coloration, so it's definitely something that's unique to that particular vine.

  • 12 years ago

    My friend says that 'Lady Margaret' has a tendency to spontaneously produce a handful of very different flowers, then revert to the usual flowers. Without evidence that it's an independent plant, he would lean towards that explanation. However, there are many possible explanations at this point.

    So here are some of the things you could do:

    Get a photo of a representative leaf or leaves in the vicinity of the new flower. A side by side comparison with regular 'Lady Margaret' is ideal. If it is a small plant and you don't want to start pulling leaves, remove a 'Lady Margaret' leaf only or compare nearby vines. Include the entire petioles (leaf stems) in photos.

    If you can trace the vine with new flowers either back to the ground or to a region that is clearly 'Lady Margaret' that would be incredibly helpful. Even if it can be connected to 'Lady Margaret', it could still be interesting if the change is stable over the long term.

    He also agrees it's a very nice flower. If it is indeed a new hybrid or a stable mutation, one potential option is to think about registering it. This is an involved process, and of course novel and stunning flowers don't all merit registration, for various reasons.

    I would add that if after doing some of the checks, you think it might in fact be a new hybrid, or even a stable mutation growing out of 'Lady Margaret' itself (a "bud sport"), then at some point you will want to propagate the new plant. If your 'Lady Margaret' is indeed vigorous, you may want to consider doing this reasonably soon. It would be a shame to have something novel and interesting be either choked out, or overrun by faster growing parts of the same plant. Killed over winter is another sad fate.

    Most hybrid Passifloras are fairly easy from cuttings. Many can be rooted in water and almost all in a medium such as moist perlite. If you are curious, I can help locate protocols.

    Good luck!

  • 12 years ago

    Wow - so much information, thank you! I will definitely take more photos and post today. I've been looking online for a similar flower - the Kew Gardens is close but there are some definite differences.

    Would love to learn more about registering and propagating. The vine does have consistently pink and white flowers - and it's fairly well-established on my fence.

  • 12 years ago

    I think the flowers are beautiful

  • 12 years ago

    This is the third bloom on the same marked vine with consistent color pattern. Posting a photo of the leaves - they are different than the Lady Margaret vine.

  • 12 years ago

    Leaves

  • 12 years ago

    Lady Margaret leaves

  • 12 years ago

    Also - I checked and the other passion vine was a Lambiekins with alternating purple and white petals (similar to the photo), and my husband reminded me that the potted plant was indeed placed just outside the fence where my Lady Margaret is growing - but only for a few days (we had purchased it while installing a privacy screen around our AC and it waited there while we finished construction and painting), so perhaps that's when it happened?

  • 12 years ago

    Very interesting bloom Julie. Is it still blooming this way? Have you managed to root cuttings? If it is indeed part Lady Margaret, it should root readily.

  • 12 years ago

    It is and it has. I have several cuttings that are growing steadily and the mother vine is still producing like flowers. Awaiting reply from PSI on my initial registration application. If interested in one, message me privately.

  • 12 years ago

    PS - if accepted - it will be named 'Ave Maritza' after my mother. Right now I have about a dozen cuttings rooted.

  • 12 years ago

    Oh, good for you! What a beautiful tribute for a parent. I spent a couple hours last night trying to find anything that looked like it and kept coming up short. Now, I don't have years experience with these plants like some so who knows. I think it is safe to say Lambiekins does not show any influence on this plant though.

  • 12 years ago

    Hi,
    Sent you a message in regards to a cutting. What a wonderful thing to happen in the garden. I think the name and tribute are lovely. I have several cuttings I could root for you for trading. I already have Passifloras Panama Red, Lunametista, and Lavender Lady. Would be happy to try P x Belloti or P. loefgrenii cuttings. I also have seedlings of Purple Possum that just sprouted.

  • 12 years ago

    Hi - I just wrote to you at the email listed. I'm sorry for the delay - for some reason I must have missed your first message!

  • 12 years ago

    RetiredFL - the Lambiekins (or so she was tagged - see photo) contributed to the alternating petal colors. The rest was Mother Nature's cocktail. I'm new at this too, but my marked vine - which is growing in a massive LM mess, continues to produce the same flowers. I tagged the vine that produced the first odd bloom the same day and have traced its branches and determined that it is its own plant. Who would have thought - it wasn't an intentional cross - just a happy coincidence that I had two passiflora that append to me planted in proximity to one another.

  • 12 years ago

    Very nice. I did a quick search and my memory failed me. I thought you had a tetraploid hybrid, which would probably be unlikely to mate with Lady Margaret.

  • 12 years ago

    that is awesome :)

  • 12 years ago

    Those are both so beautiful!