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The Tomato Report

19 years ago

How is everybody's tomatoes doing now that the weather has warmed up a little bit?

Our spring-planted tomatoes are slower to produce this year, but I am thinking that this could be a 'bonus' because they will probably produce later into the summer than they usually do. I am actually feeling pretty positive about them, which is odd considering it has rained every day for a week now so you KNOW that there are problems in tomatoland.

How has the excessive rain affected the tomato plants?

Our plants have been slower growing, slower to flower, slower to pollinate and slower to produce ripe fruit. In addition, there have been serious issues with bacterial speck, bacterial spot, and early blight. The plants have needed one booster feeding to make up for the leaching of nutrition from the soil by heavy rains. There have been a few tomato hornworms, but not many, and the deer have eaten a few plants, while the turtles, deer and racoons have had a few fruit. So, it hasn't been too bad really.

On the plus side, the early blight has not progressed too much and hasn't affected production very much, even if the plants look unsightly to me. Also, we are getting slower, later ripe tomatoes but they are larger than usual and the taste is pretty good--not great--but not as watered down as I had feared.

I tried many, many new varieties this year and it is fun tasting them as many heirlooms have quite distinctive, special flavors.

Here's a report on how some of them have done.

Arkansas Traveler: Struggled with wet roots, slow to grow, Now covered in green fruit.

Lucky Cross: Struggled with wet roots and foliar issues early on. After almost drowning, now has one almost ripe very large fruit and many small ones. I can't wait for this one to ripen.

Livingston Gold Ball: Producing like a champ in spite of heavy rainfall. One of the earliest to ripen. Has several dozen greenies and I've already harvested about a dozen. Yummy.

Pierce's Pride: Very large fruit. I've harvested several and there are more green ones coming along. This is the largest I've grown in the group of 'black tomatoes'. Typical black tomato taste, and is good, but not as good as Black Krim. I'll definitely grow this one again though.

Snow White Cherry: One of earliest to produce ripe fruits as always. Terrific flavor. Less foliage disease this year--usually it is one of the worst for foliage diseases, so why it is doing better in heavier rainfall is anyone's guess. These are a staple in our garden, but they are yellowish-ivory, not white.

Tiffen Mennonnite: Struggling in the heavy rain, no blooms, no fruit on one plant; other plant has produced some yummy looking fruit, but flavor only so-so. Hoping later ones will taste better.

Black Pear: Only OK, not as good in flavor as most years.

Wisconsin 55 -- Plant is disease-free, lots of green fruit, only 1 ripe so far, and it was good.

Earl's Faux--struggling in the heavy rainfall, almost died a couple of times, not doing much but I have hope things will improve

Zogola--Has 2 or 3 huge fruit, almost ripe,6 or 8 green ones. Eager to taste this one.

Cherokee Purple--Oh my! One of our perennial favorites and its flavor is just as good this year as in other years, and the tomatoes are twice as large!!!! Guess the rainfall is good for something.

Martino's Roma: So covered in fruit you can hardly see the foliage. This plant is only about knee-high but has produced several dozen tomatoes so far. They are great for salsa or sauce.

Black Prince: One of first to ripen, good as always. Looks of cracking, but rain does that.

Super Fantastic wasn't super or fantastic this year. Drowned and died.

Dr. Carolyn: A yummy cherry, better tasting and more disease resistant than Galina's. This one's a keeper.

Bisignano #2: Struggled early on with wet roots, has recovered and has large fruit that aren't ripe yet.

Eva Purple Ball: The plant itself has remained small but is producing well. Haven't eaten one yet, but picked some ripe ones today.

Caspian Pink: One of our favorites but it has really stuggled in this weather. I don't know if it will produce ripe fruit before it dies or not.

Beefmaster: One of our favorite hybrids. Plants are huge and have lots of fruit. They are delicious. The rain hasn't adversely affected this variety much.

Black Krim: Has grown exceptionally well considering the conditions. Several ripe ones picked and devoured. Delicious as always. My favorite black tomato. The most productive and healthiest looking plant in the garden, and I have 10 or 12 plants of this variety because all my neighbors have become addicted to its flavor.

Black Zebra: Struggled early on with wet roots but looks great now. Has several almost ripe ones. Fruit are beautiful to look at. Can't wait to see how they taste.

Brandy Boy: Plants have struggled with wet roots and foliar disease, but are rising above it and producing green fruit. No ripe ones yet.

Celebrity: Loads of red ripe tomatoes and plenty of greens. Plants don't look as good as they usually do, but they are producing well.

Champion: Struggled with wet roots. Small but lots of fruit and the fruit is very good.

Beam's Yellow Pear: Foliar disease got it before it produced much fruit, which happens here about every other year or so.

Black Cherry: In excess of 7' tall, fairly heavy foliage, lots of fruit. Fantastic flavor as always. These are so good you can't believe it.

Bi-Colored Cherry, Brown Cherry, Purple Brandy, Momotaro, Purple Calabash, Pruden's Purple, Purple Russian and second Dr. Carolyn plant: After struggling with wet roots, these are growing, blooming and setting fruit. No ripe ones yet.

Jaune Flamme': Has several almost-ripe fruit on average sized plants.

Ildi: My favorite yellow cherry. This one was stripped completely bare right down to the main stalk by the biggest tomato hornworm I have ever seen. (Of course he was big by the time I saw him--he'd eaten an entire 4' tall plant by then!) Hoping it will regrow.

SunGold: Planted in late May as replacements for some earlier plants that were waterlogged and died. Growing well and blooming and setting fruit.

Orange Santa: One of the largest plants in the garden at about 7' to 8' tall. Lots of fruit and they are yummy, although they are bigger than red Santa.

Rosalita: This one has fruit, but it is not shaped like Rosalita from past years, so I either have crossed seed, mislabeled seed or a mislabeled plant. Looks more like Orange Banana.

Galina's Yellow: Produced ripe fruit fairly early but has struggled with foliar disease.

A lot of plants in the lower part of the garden where the drainage is the worst look simply terrible and are near death from waterlogged roots--my fault, not theirs. These include: JetStar, Better Boy, Little Lucky, Blue Fruit, and Bulgarian #7. Of these, Bulgarian #7 seems to have the best hope of survival.

Aunt Gertie's Gold: Lost first planting to waterlogged roots. Second planting about 18" tall, flowering and fruiting.

Kellog's Breakfast: same situation as Aunt Gertie's Gold.

Carbon: Tall, healthy productive plants with good fruit.

Amish Gold: These have been slow to grow. Some have fruit, some don't, none have produced ripe ones yet.

Lillian's Yellow: Dead

Persimmon: Is 4' tall after being eaten down to the ground by a deer. Flowering and fruiting. No ripe ones yet.

Mule Team: Recovering from waterlogged roots. Blooming and setting fruit. Looking pretty good at this point.

Box Car Willie: Does not like the rain. Not dying but not growing either. Just sits there.

Neve's Azorean Red: Something must like this plant because it has been eaten clear down to the ground twice. Regrowing. Flowering. Hoping to get fruit sooner or later.

Black From Tula: Flowering, fruiting, a few ripe ones, lots more green. Taste is very good.

Oregon Spring: Wasn't as early as expected, but we have had awful weather. Lots of fruit. Flavor is average.

Oleana Ukrainian: ABout 4' tall, lots of flowers, a few fruit. Still waiting for this one to ripen.

New Big Dwarf: Wow! Really great flavor, really large fruit, on compact plants. This one is a keeper.

Early Girl: Lots of fruit and they are good. Not the earliest in our garden, not even close.

Ultimate Opener: Less fruit than Early Girl and slower to produce them. Nothing special.

Red Star: These tomatoes have been green forever. They just won't ripen. Waiting and waiting and waiting.

Orange Banana: Fairly prolific producer and fairly good tasting fruit. Nothing to get real excited about so far. Maybe hotter, drier weather (if we have any) will produce better fruit.

Little Lucky: Started out as one of the fastest growing and healthiest looking plants before the rain got to it. Still looks moderately good, but has been slow to set flower and fruit.

Principle Borghese: Produced a few dozen sweet little tomatoes and then the plant died.

Livingston's Gold Queen: Wow! Big old golden tomatoes on a big, fast-growing, lush plant. Taste is pretty good considering the weather.

The following were planted over the last 3 to 6 weeks as replacements for plants which died because of waterlogged roots or disease. They are looking good, growing well, flowering, and some are already setting fruit. They are: Roughwood Golden Plum, Rose Quartz, Hess, Matina, Cherokee Chocolate, Black, Sweet Million, Ildi, Coyote, Brandy Boy, Jaune Flammee', Aunt Gertie's Gold, and Green Sausage.

So, the results are a really mixed bag. Some dead plants. Many struggling ones. Many are producing very late ripening fruit. Fruit is being produced though, and some of the new ones have already earned their way onto next year's grow list. Many of the best tasting fruit are from the black tomato group, or Cherokee Purple or some of the red hybrids.

In view of the fact that my vegetable garden has a couple of inches of standing water in it, especially in the pathways and in the lower half of it which does not have raised beds, I am just happy to be picking ripe tomatoes at all.

Usually by this time of year, I have harvested hundreds and hundreds of tomatoes and have given away bags and bags of them to everyone we know. This year I have only harvested maybe 60 or 70 full-sized tomatoes and a couple of hundred cherries, and I haven't given any away. The people to whom we usually give our excess tomatoes are starting to get antsy, but I haven't 'caught' anyone in the garden picking their own tomatoes yet. When they ask how the garden is doing, I tell them it is 'pitiful'. Everyone else's tomato plants around here are in pretty bad shape too.

I have a lot of fall tomatoes ready to go into the ground in the next 2 or 3 weeks, and many of them are ones I've never grown before, so I am looking forward to trying their fruit if they survive long enough to produce any.

By the way, it is raining hard here this afternoon and I understand they are closing down flooded roads in the Gainesville/Cooke County, Texas, area again, just a few miles south of us. It is going to be a long weekend.

Dawn

Comments (17)

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Most of my tomato plants were a little slower this year but they are in raised beds so they are doing quite well.

    I have to say that an heirloom (Red Calabash) I planted has taken over! It is 10 feet tall! I didn't know tomato plants could get so big. It's a monster! It has tons of tomatoes on it but they have just started turning red. I am so glad that I caged AND staked this year.

    Anyway, the Red Calabash is also starting to grow over my Roma tomato plant. I really thought I gave it enough space but apparently not. Should I cut it back? The Roma is flowering but not as much as it should (I think). I really hate to cut off the branches because they have lots of tomatoes on them but I am beginning to worry about my Roma.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I have some really good growth and lots of blooms but not much fruit yet. What fruit that's set is slow in developing. I haven't fed any more in the last week or so--should I continue this while they are blooming?

    My tomatoes that are at the back of the balcony are losing their bottom leaves! They are yellowing and falling off, but there are new leaves coming in at the same time. At first I thought it was from watering, but now I'm not sure. Any ideas? They don't get as much sunlight as those at the front of the balcony, obviously, but I don't have the room to move them up to the front.

    A couple of my plants in the 5-gallon buckets are chest high--I've never had tomato plants do this well before. I'm usually happy to just get a handful of tomatoes--that way I can say I 'grew some tomatoes' without actually lying about it!

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    My tomatoes are finaly starting to turn but very slow we have been having rain again this week or lots of cloud cover

    some of them are looking pretty bad from to much water and now the affids are starting to hit them was hoping they would leave them alone with everything else I planted for them to eat on but nope they are leaving every thing else alone. Something is starting to put holes in some of the tomatoes haven't seen what is doing it

    Have gotten 6 ripe one so far and they taste great all the plants are loaded haven't had that many on one plant in years some have up to 30 tomatoes on them

    Bessie

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Julie,

    Hack back that Red Calabash all you want! You aren't going to hurt it at all. It already has more than enough foliage to produce all the tomatoes you want from it. Give poor little Roma some sunlight and some room and you will be richly rewarded with tomatoes for salsa and/or sauce.

    Katyar,

    I feed container-grown tomatoes every other week, and every week if it is raining excessively. It is hard to overfeed tomatoes in containers because the constant watering is leaching nutrients out of the soil every time you water. I'd go ahead and feed the plants, but with a tomato food, not a higher nitrogen food.

    Yellowing lower leaves on tomato plants can indicate many, many different things.

    Sometimes yellowing leaves are just older leaves that have already exhausted themselves and are dropping off to make way for new leaves coming on in virtually the same spot. Is that what you are seeing? If so, it is normal.

    Otherwise, the yellowing leaves are probably from too much shade or too much moisture, or a combination of both.

    All the rain and mild temps have been good to your tomatoes--just look how tall they are getting! Now, if only they could catch a break and have a few sunny days!

    Bessie,

    I have been watching your lousy weather all week on the radar here and wondering if you and your plants are EVER going to see the sun again.

    For aphids, the best natural cure is lady bugs. I hope some show up to eat the aphids. They always do in our garden, usually a week or two after I notice the aphids are appearing in large numbers.

    If the ladybugs don't appear, you could spray with insecticial soap, but its effectiveness may be limited by the rainfall.

    If the holes in your fruit are large, I suspect tomato fruitworms. The only treatment for them is to spray with Bt, or handpick the fruitworms and kill them if you can find them. If the holes in the fruit are accompanied by chewed-up foliage, it could be tomato hornworms. If the holes in the fruit are small, it might be stinkbugs.

    Your plants sound as if they are producing beautifully, and I am hoping you get some sunshine soon to push that fruit into ripening.

    Dawn

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Dewey, Washington County has been seeing a lot of rain too. There was some flooding all around us that made the national news, according to a brother-in-law in Illinois. My tomatoes are in raised beds, so they are faring pretty well. But I'm not getting ripe fruit YET. Well, I've had maybe a handful of Sweet Hundred and 4 or 5 Juanne Flamme. The Juanne Flamme are disappointingly small (golfball)and I wasn't impressed by the flavor. All my plants are heirloom varieties except for three Beefmaster, which are absolutely huge plants.

    Getting lots of zucchini and yellow squash right now though. Usually a yellow moth lays her eggs in the stems and they are suffering by this time of year, but when I saw the moths flying around I ran out and covered my plants with some old curtain sheers. It MIGHT have worked, but may also be too early to brag. Last year we got only a few zucchini before the plants all died.

    I'm also picking green beans every day. I planted "Lazy Housewife" last year and these are from the seed I saved. The vines make a nice long bean and there are 3 or 4 hanging together so they're easy to pick(hence the name). I need to go out and pick today, have been waiting for them to dry out a little from the rain we got this morning.

    I am finally growing some decent basil, I started some from seed and they didn't come up very well because I discovered seeds are particular about what they will sprout in. I'm always trying to save money, so had used a bag of potting soil. So many big pieces of things in the soil! I tried sifting out the "real" soil in some that was left last weekend and discovered more than half of it was pieces of things: bark, small rock! So really I would've gotten more bang for my buck if I had just gotten "real" seed-starting soil. Won't make that mistake again.

    Anyway, I'd had one or two little basil plants come up in their cups. One died and the other just didn't grow. I finally just used a spoon to scoop the tiny plant out of the cup and gently placed it in a depression in the dirt out in one of the raised beds, between two tomato plants. And it has been doing well. I love basil and just haven't seemed to be able to grow it in my herb garden here. It grew like a weed where we lived before, and came up volunteer the next year!

    My main concern is about the new grapevines I planted this spring. They are growing and climbing the arbor and were doing fine until the newest growth became completely covered in some kind of little black aphid-like critters. I went out there and sprayed with some diluted liquid dog shampoo that has pyrethrum in it, and then I looked down and saw a ladybug climbing up the vine. Darn. That was about a week ago and where the soap was sprayed the foliage has turned brown. The new growth (where all the bugs were) turned black, but there's a whole new batch of bugs. We've had enough rain to wash all the soap off since then, so I guess I'll ride this latest attack out and see if the lady bugs will come back.

    One of my rhubarb plants rotted.

    I'm dying for a juicy, ripe tomato. And yes, something has been eating them. Leaves holes and sometimes only leaves the skin and a few seed. What's left of the fruit turns red after it's been damaged. I think it's that mockingbird that kept stealing strawberries earlier. I've seen one out there looking things over, and it always seems to be the tomatoes near the ground that get attacked. But I'll go out there and look for a worm. Maybe the mockingbird was looking at the worm and not the tomato!

    I've mulched with grass clippings and I'm pleased with how that's keeping the weeds down. Have been a little concerned about the soil staying too wet, but it seems to be draining ok anyway.

    Well, that's MY report. --Ilene

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Tomatoes--I do finally have friut on my plants--green but there and I am praying it won't get diseased or eaten by something else before we get them. I am really quite desparate for home grown tomatoes by now.
    The little volunteer plants are thriving and blooming and some have fruit as well. They will be the small grape tomotoes from the looks of them.

    Okra--finally got enough pods for enough for me one day this week. I didn't plant much since I am the only one in the house who will eat it.

    Squash--still needs to be pulled out. Each time I tried to do it I didn't have gloves out there and they are too picky for my bare hands. Still blooming like crazy--no fruit.

    Cantelope--small, blooming, no fruit.

    Peppers--pretty good amount of fruit on them.

    Basil--thriving

    Eggplant--blooming, no fruit yet.

    I harvested most of the peaches this week and just while ago I cooked some for peach fried pies. Hopefully will try making a bunch tomorrow if I am feeling more energetic.

    Flowers blooming right now--Roses--hisbiscus--hydrangea--cannas--daylilies--purple cone flower--african daisy--marigolds--zinnias--rose moss--calibrachoa--vinca--lantana-salvia--delphinium--petunia--dianthus--begonias--mexican heather--lambs ears--lavendar--yarrow--morning glories--daisy--gallardia....that is all I can think of right now.

    Many things are still not thriving like I would have expected but under the circumstances some things are doing better than you would think with all these adverse weather conditions.

    Our yard has water still standing in some places. We will need to get a load of gravel delivered early next week and spread it so we can get the 5th wheel out and go trade it so we can bring the new one home. I only HOPE that getting gravel will allow this to happen without getting stuck.

    It would be fine with me if it doesn't rain anymore this summer and pick up in late fall or something. Sheesh! What a mess this has been. But at least the lakes are full and there should be no wildfires any time soon.

    G.M.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hi Ilene!

    Well, at least your beans are doing great. Mine just won't grow. I am going to pull them out and replant. I think these have been so wet that their roots just won't function. When I replant, I am going to try to plant them in a drier location, if I can find one.

    I am having a good basil year this year after having almost no basil to speak of last year. None of last year's small crop of basil reseeded, either, which is unusual. Having had basil reseed for several years running, I guess I had gotten spoiled. SO this year, when it became obvious that the basil wasn't going to reseed, I started a bunch from seed, including lemon, lime, littleleaf, spicy globe, Italian large leaf, green ruffles, purple ruffles, and Cardinal, which is a green and dark-red bicolored basil. Cardinal is attractive but it is not as pretty as I had hoped. Still, I have lots of basill, so I can't complain.

    Are the little black bugs still on the grapevines? The only two little black bugs I have ever seen on grapes are grape flea beetles and black snout beetles. I hope the lady bugs take care of them for you. Using insecticidal soap always makes me nervous because it tends to burn tender foliage, at least in our hot weather. Since burning the foliage on my tomato plants 7 or 8 years ago, I have tried to steer clear of insecticidal soap and it is hard, because there are not a lot of alternative organic options.

    All but one of my rhubard plants rotted, and the one that is left doesn't look happy. Oh, well, I'll try again with rhubarb next year when the weather may be drier.

    I had bird damage really early on, in early May, when some of the early tomatoes were ripening, but haven't had it since. I continue to have rabbits, deer and turtles eating the plants (deer and rabbit) and an occasional fruit (deer and turtles).

    I usually use grass clippings as mulch but this year I have used hay and it has worked well. (Some friends gave me 30 bales of 'old' hay, so EVERYTHING is mulched with hay this year.) I have had more bacterial speck and bacterial spot on tomatoes, and wonder if the hay mulch has contributed to that.

    I hope you get ripe tomatoes soon. We have been enjoying ours a lot, so much so that we have't even given any away. Usually by this time of year we are giving away large quantities, but everything is so slow to produce this year, and there are not nearly as many tomatoes ripening either. There are a lot of greenies, so if we ever start getting more than an hour or two a day of sunshine, I think we will have a huge increase in our tomato numbers.

    Hi Merry Heart!

    It sounds like your garden is doing as well as can be expected considering the amount of rainfall in your part of Carter County this year. There was an article in the newspaper--I think it was the Ardmoreite(?)--last week that said many areas of the county have received 200% or more of their usual annual rainfall, and it is only June! We have had a lot of rain here, I know, but you have received tons more there.

    A lot of my plants are performing just like yours--for example, my cantaloupes are smaller than usual, blooming like crazy, and no fruit yet. I am hoping the sunshine yesterday (and what we are expected to see today as well) will kick those things into production. The pumpkins and winter squash are doing quite well, and so is the corn, if I can keep the raccoons out of it.

    It sounds like the flowers are doing really well. Mine are too, and so are the wildflowers, so at least we have something to look at, in addition to the mud, the muddy grass and the standing puddles of water.

    My son has been working on the driveway, which the rains have turned into a major run-off gully. He's been leveling out ruts and hauling gravel by the pickup load and has really improved it a lot this last week. There is still a lot more to do, though. We make a little progress and then it starts raining again.

    For three days now I have have tried to mow and weedeat. Every time I start feeling like I am accomplishing something, it clouds up and rains. Yesterday morning, the rain sent me inside three times! Still, I have made progress on the jungle this week.

    This week at least the rain has come in smaller quantities, one inch one day, a half-inch another, and several tenths of an inch on each of the other days. We have had rain every single day since June 15th, I think. Our Mesonet station at Burneyville has been messed up since Monday's flooding, so our official numbers are 'off' though.

    The Red River is really high again, about the highest you ever see it. I understand a lot of the runoff is coming from the heavy rains west and northwest of us. Yesterday it was running so fast that it was whitecapping.

    I am tired of the rain and the muck and the mud as well. BUT, I hope small amounts of rain continue to fall. I haven't had to water anything this year--just the plants in containers--and it is the first year in a LONG time that we haven't had a horrible water bill! I hope the Thackerville Water Company is able to survive without the big fat checks we usually send them in the summer! So, at least one good thing has come from all the rain. Even if the rain stopped right now, and I don't think it will, we wouldn't have to water as much as we did in 2003, 2005 and parts of 2004 and 2006.

    Some of our friends are spending a lot of time at Lake Murray this week. I guess the cooler weather has made it more enjoyable than in some recent years.

    Yes, it has been a mess. I am happy the lakes and ponds and creeks are full again and am even happier that we aren't having wildfires. Do you know what, though? Our fire department has had to work so many accidents and structure fires this year that they have worked almost as many fires as they did in the first six months of 2006 when the wildfires were so bad. That is odd. We thought we'd see a huge drop in the number of calls, but that hasn't occurred yet.

    This is the coolest June I can remember in a long time. I don't even remember the last time our June nights stayed this cool. I don't even know if we have had any lows at all in the 80s yet?

    I am looking forward to July. If we don't have heat and sunshine in July, though......well, we WILL have heat and sunshine in July. We must. We need it. Strangely enough, we want it. You know what....I am not going to complain if it gets hot. I promise. Right now a forecast of sunshine and 105 degree highs sounds good.

    Dawn

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Good Sunday morning Dawn, (And everyone else),

    Dawn I am chuckling right now after reading your post. I am ALMOST tempted to say a forecast of 105 would sound pretty good but I am not quite there yet...lol. Oh my for it to go to that kind of temp now after we have had it so cool would be really extremely hot. And with the humidity this high we wouldn't be able to leave the AC....can you imagine? lol.

    Just some steady nice sunshine sure would lift my spirits. I have enjoyed our cooler temps...I can't complain about those and I am a hot weather lover...up until it gets close to 100 that is. I just need sunshine to be totally happy, and thank God we do have that this morning. I have been on my patio with coffee this morning basking in it too! Trying to soak it in for the upcoming week in case the rains come back again.

    I heard Steve Lanore on KXII tell us to PRAY about all this rain twice on Friday night! How unusual for a weather man to admit that no one has control over it and we need seek help from the Lord! It made me finally decide I could accept him...I have really missed Allen Crohn.

    My DH managed to get our lawn mowed late yesterday..it was looking bad. It is still so water logged....all around my raised veggie beds was still standing water as of yesterday morning when I was out there. I have given up even trying to measure the rains. It comes so often I forget when and which gauges I had emptied the last time....hahaha. I know at one point last week we had gotten over 5 inches and that was before the downpours we got on Friday afternoon which surely brought down another 1/2 to 1 inch in a short time. I was at my mom's apartment and I thought sure one of the apartments was going to get flooded. I was all prepared to grab towels and brooms to do all I could to keep it out. Thank God it stopped when it did! Several factors contributed to that one patio catching and holding the water and it was up to and past the bottom of her patio door!

    I don't have anything in my memory to compare this spring to. I really don't recall when I have seen it rain so much, so often and it stay so cloudy all the time. We did have sunshine most of the days we were at the lake back a couple of weeks ago, but it was the day we left to come home that changed and it has not gone away since. Sadly enough last forecast I saw showed possible rain all week and he even said it could be a repeat of this past week's rain totals. I pray that doesn't happen! For those who are already out of their homes it will only make it worse for them. And for everyone else as well. I selfishly want it to stop so I can get on with getting my new trailer and getting it all ready, then take it for shake down run to the lake....lol. Can't get any further away than that with the health problems my mom is having, plus oldest sis having knee replacement this week. Always lots going on, but getting to the lake when I can is such a stress reliever. And there seems to always be soneone we know out there.

    Well I need to get busy. Lots to do today..ugh...I just want to PLAY....lol.

    Have a great day....God bless!
    G.M.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Merryheart, I am so jealous of you that you have peaches! My two peach trees were zapped by the late freeze. Also my apple trees and plum tree. But my peaches, when I have them, are not usually ready till around July 4. Which works for me because I usually get extra time off work because of the holiday, and that gives me more time to prepare them for the freezer. There is no substitute for home-grown peaches. I think there must be a really big climate difference between northern OK and southern OK. Does this make me a YANKEE???? omygosh!

    Okiedawn, my favorite basil has always been the large leaved italian. I have some smaller-leaved basil growing but it's just not as fragrant as my one large-leaved plant. And I used to grow the purple at the other house. Wow was it ever a self-seeder! Pretty but just not as tasty.

    I hate to say too loud how sick I am of the rain, for fear it will stop and we won't have any more till winter! As it is, though, I think the city of Dewey and Bartlesville should discount the cost of City water since the water comes out of Hulah and Copan Dams and they are both higher than they have probably ever been. The last time the water got high in the dams, in '84, they waited too long, then panicked and let it all out at once and flooded much of Dewey and Bartlesville. The amount of damage was horrible. I hope they don't do that again.

    I was talking to my "adopted" family in Copan yesterday, two little ladies in their late 80's, and they said their "daddy" always said if you had ripe tomatoes by July 4 here, you were getting early tomatoes. So I guess I just need to wait patiently a bit more. My little ladies remind me of the Baldwin Sisters on the Walton's.

    I've missed visiting with y'all, been too busy to do much more than lurk. I am so busy at work, come home and try to battle the darn grass that's getting into everything, especially my iris bed and herb garden! DH has a riding lawn mower and manages to keep the grass down in the lawn but he won't pull weeds and grass out of the garden areas. A grown son thinks we're getting old and feeble so he comes over and weed-eats for us -- Hey, we're WORKIN' that! But even HE won't pull weeds and grass. --Ilene

  • 19 years ago
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    Ilene,

    I've been wondering where you'd been!

    I agree with you. I do think there is a big climate difference between extreme southern Oklahoma and northern Oklahoma, especially northeastern Oklahoma.

    For starters, we are are the 'sunny side of the Arbuckles', though you can't tell much difference this year!

    I think we get a little hotter, perhaps, in late July and early August of some years. Our first year here we had a string of 110 to 115 degree days in early August that lasted about a week, and I was ready to pack up and move back to Texas, where it 'only' gets to about 105, maybe 106 on very hot days.

    Most of the time y'all have higher humidity and higher rainfall. Y'all also have generally better soils and colder winters.

    We have earlier springs most years, and we have occasional days in January through March where the temps spike up into the 80s and even the 90s, which will make us think it is spring even though it is not. I don't know if your winter temps are as erratic as ours, or if they are more consistently winter-like?

    I think our frost-free growing season is a few days longer than yours, but not much. We do get away with pushing the envelope as far as planting early, because our late cold spells tend to be briefer and not as cold as your late cold spells.

    If you are familiar with the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex and its weather, ours is very, very similar to theirs--only slightly hotter in the summer and slightly colder in the winter.

    As far as whether you are a Yankee or not? I don't think so! I have to admit though, that when I was growing up in Texas, it was generally accepted that everyone who was NOT from Texas was, in fact, a damn Yankee! Now just find a single person in Texas who was even born in Texas! The Yankees have all moved south and become Texanized.

    Ilene, I was pinching back the lemon and lime basil earlier today because they are trying to flower and I am trying to stop them. I could pinch back basil all day--it smells so good. I have a big pot of tomatoes on the stove boiling down so I can make spaghetti sauce for dinner. In a few minutes I am going to run out to the garden and pick some Italian large leaf basil and some parsley to use. Yum.

    I am just like you--tired of the rain but afraid to say so out loud for fear I will jinx us and the rain will totally stop. It has happened to us before--we have gone from a VERY wet spring to a July and August where virtually no rain fell, and it is amazing how quickly the moisture in the ground dissipates!

    I hope they are careful with their water releases so your area doesn't have to deal with more flooding.

    Your little old lady friends sound so precious and sweet--I always liked the Baldwin sisters.

    When I was growing up we had a lot of older ladies like them and they got me addicted to gardening. I remember them working out in their yards and gardens wearing cotton housedresses in lovely floral prints, and very sensible shoes, and big straw hats, and very proper gardening gloves of course. I may be more comfortable in my jeans, T-shirts, baseball cap and hiking boots as I work in the garden.....but I don't look like a 'southern lady gardener' the way they used to!

    We've been fighting the grass too as it attempts to take over the world, especially in the beds where all the 'prety' stuff grows. It seems like all we do is mow and weedeat lately, in between rain showers, of course.

    I hate to say it, cause I'll jinx us, but not a drop of rain has fallen at our place today. There--I went ahead and said it--now it will probably start pouring down rain at any moment. :)

    I need to go gather some herbs. Talk to you all laer.

    Dawn

  • 19 years ago
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    Ilene...how are you? I am like you...I have been busy and have not done much except lurk a little now and then.

    I totally agree with Dawn on your weather being pretty different. Last summer when it was unbearable here we went up to near your area....sort of....to cool off just a little. It was enough cooler that it did help. Wow we got HOT last summer.

    Sorry you lost all your fruit in the spring freezes. We would have lost ours too if I had not stopped lurking on here like I had done on and off for several years and posted a desparate plea for help for my peaches with the freezes on their way.
    Dawn did it! She told us what to do and it worked...so we had peaches this year. The most we have ever gotten from this young tree. I hesitate to guess just how much I got...perhaps 1/2 to 3/4 bushel? And all off this one little young peach tree so it wasn't bad...in our opinion at least.
    I made the peach fried pies today and oh my....YUMMY! DH ate 3 of them as soon as I let him know they were done...lol. I don't think the rest of them will be around for long. Hope DS gets home from work in time for some. lol.

    Your Baldwin Sisters sound so precious. I enjoy older folks a great deal. Good thing since my little mommy is 90!
    I love some of the ladies who live in her apartment complex too.

    You mentioning the Baldwin sisters makes me think....
    Oh my wouldn't it be wonderful if life was like the Waltons? Such a simple life.....makes me sigh just to think of it. Our lives are far too fast paced and hectic. I want to live on Walton's Mountain...lol.
    In fact I call our high area where we live Walton's Mountain due to WalMart being only about 3 blocks due east of us as the crow flies and we are on the same plateau as walmart. lol.

    Well I need to go wash and fix my hair for mom's early morning apartment tomorrow. I won't have time to do it in the morning. Then our busy week kicks of....ugh.

    Ya'll have a wonderful week and let's pray the rain stays away for a little while and waits until we actually NEED it.

    G.M.

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    My tomato plants have really starting to grow now that the rain has stopped. The foliar problems are increasing though. Overall, their pretty loaded with tomatoes and blossoms now. Here's how mine are doing.

    Boxcar Willie: slowly setting tomtoes, few foliar problems.

    Rutgers: A lot of tomatoes, some giant ones. I can't believe it is a determinent, it is as big as the others. NO foiliar problems.

    2 Black Krim: A lot of tomatoes and blossoms, no foiliar trouble. Some BER.

    2 Mortgage Lifter: A little slow to set tomatoes but doing better now. Little foiliar problems.

    3 Brandywine RED : Slow to set tomatoes, and not very many, but few foliar problems. Some BER.

    Old German: Very slow to set tomatoes, and not very many so far. Few foliar problems.

    Ugly: Some BER, some foiliar problems.

    Green Zebra: A lot of tomatoes, some almost ripe, and no foiliar problems.

    Big Boy: big plant, alot of tomatoes, but having a lot of foiliar problems. One ripe so far!

    6 Beefmaster: Alot of tomatoes and blossoms, alot of foiliar problems too. BER too.

    3 Beefsteak: Slow to set tomatoes, but quite a few now, little foiliar problems.

    Sweet Cluster: Some tomatoes almost ripe, few foiliar problems.

    These were planted late:

    Caspian Pink: Grew like crazy, biggest plant I have. Had a ton of blossoms, but it split in the middle, and is having problems, very droopy.
    Aunt Ruby's Green German: finally growing and putting on a few blossoms, no problems.
    Striped German: A couple of blossoms, no foiliar problems.
    2 Cherokee Purple: Outgrew the sunscald, still only about a foot tall, a few blossoms, No foiliar problems.

    The basil is pretty droopy, Cilantro is growing good. Watermelon and Canteloupe, cucumber plants growing good.

  • 19 years ago
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    Happy to report that all my 'maters are doing great - healthy - few bug problems (released 70,000 ladybugs earlier this year) - lots of blooms and fruit. Only cherry tomatoes have turned red yet though. Sorry don't remember what all I planted but have 20 different varieties in a four by twenty foot raised bed that is nearly three feet high and filled with several year old compost. The thing drains well, even in the floods we've had this year. I have a soaker hose buried in there but have not turned it on this year. Am using hog wire fencing with both ends stuck in the bed to form u shapes and have bird netting over the whole thing. But, in spite of how productive and beautiful it looks, we may get few 'maters this year. Something is pulling up the net and eating the green tomatoes. Well eating part of each one and leaving the mess all over the ground. We live in the country so it could be almost anything but I'm guessing a 'coon. Short of sitting out there all night with my shot gun, anyone have any ideas?

  • 19 years ago
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    Dragonlady,

    That is a lot of ladybugs. I Like the way you fixed your tomato tunnels, do you weave the tomato plants through the fence, or stake them to it? After I removed the tiny cages from around mine, I set cattle panels up behind them, but have had to stake them to it for the most part, I was trying to poke them through, but they don't bend very easily. By the way, I love the snow pics that you posted on your page. Sheri

  • 19 years ago
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    Merry Heart,

    Our forecast high for tomorrow (Tuesday), per Steve LaNore, is 81 degrees, so I guess you and I won't see any 100-plus degree temps yet. I admit that I really, really missed Allen when he left KXII, but I do like Steve and believe he is as good as any meteorologist we have ever had.

    I am so glad you got peaches and have been enjoying them. We are enjoying our peaches and plums too. What a year it has been for fruit!

    It is raining right now as I type this, and it is our third rainshower of the day. Right now it is raining pretty hard. We are NEVER going to dry out, are we? I think we are going to make it to July and only have had a few days with high temps above 90 degrees, which is just amazing for us. Both Dallas AND Oklahoma City have had quite a few days where their high temps were higher than ours, so I guess the constant cloud cover has kept the temps way down. Our 2007 rainfall here in Love Vounty already exceeds what we had in all of 2006 and we aren't even to the end of June yet.

    If you move to the real Walton's Mountain, and not Wal-Mart Mountain, I want to move next door to you and live the simple life too! lol

    If you have to have a busy, hectic week, it might as well be this week, 'cause the weather pretty much precludes doing anything outside, doesn't it?

    Hi Sheri,

    What a lovely assortment of tomatoes you are growing. I wish the weather were better this year, and I know that you'd be having a lot less foliar and BER problems if only the weather patterns weren't so rainy/cloudy. All we need is some sunlight consistently, but I don't know if we are ever going to get it!

    Hi Dragonlady!

    The ladybugs make such a difference. After releasing them for a couple of straight years, I now have a huge, thriving population and they keep so many of the pest bugs under control. The only problem I have is that they want to overwinter inside the house and garage, and it is an endless battle to keep them out.

    I would guess your green tomato-eating visitor is a raccoon also, since they eat the corn the same way--taking a few bites from one ear, throwing it down, then doing the same with another ear, and so on and so on. I only have two suggestions (other than shooting them) for dealing with coons:

    a) String several strands of electric shock fencing around the perimeter of the garden with the lowest strand low enough that the raccoons (including the little babies) can't slide underneath it); or

    b) Trap them using a live animal trap with an open can of cat food inside used as bait. Then you have to drive at least 4 or 5 miles away and release them, hopefully nowhere near another gardener.

    The electic fence is the best long-term solution, unless you want to be trapping/relocating raccoons for the rest of our life. And, in case you are asking yourself "How many raccoons could there be?", we only get a handful of raccoons in the trap in the summertime, but one of our neighbors got 16 last year in about a 3-week timeframe.

    Dawn

  • 19 years ago
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    Well, I guess I should report that my two little Husky Cherry Reds are doing FANTASTICO! The foliage is so rugose that it is almost ornamental in appearance. The distance between nodes is almost nil. So, it's producing, producing, producing like crazy!

    I think I'm liking these really well - we'll wait and see how they do when it gets really hot (if it ever does) and dry (if it ever does).

    I'm not seeing any foliar problems, but I put newspaper down around the base of the plants, so they aren't getting any splash damage from the rain. Kenna eats the tomatoes right off the plant, and they are delicious. Very delish, very tomatoey flavor. The stems are VERY strong, and these cherry tomatoes are touted as not needing, or at the minimum need only 1, stake. They are dwarf indeterminates. Most indeterminates need staking. But, these are holding up EXCELLENTE!

    I haven't found any hornworms on them yet. Don't know if I just haven't been fortunate yet, or if the tough foliage is not to their liking.

    The newspaper seems to be also holding in the fertilizer - it is not getting washed out of the soil, like a lighter mulch (hay, wood chips, etc.) would. So, they just keep putting out new branches, with flowers, and ultimately TOMATOS!

    Like I said, time will yet tell whether these are going to be the sturdy, invincible, tomatos that they are so far demonstrating.

    Susan

  • 19 years ago
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    Susan,

    Your Husky Red Cherries are performing exactly as they ought to. The entire Husky series grows and produces in a similar manner and they have an excellent reputation for performing as advertised and even overperforming.

    I don't know if there is a scientific reason for it, but I never have as many hornworms on potato-leaf and rugose foliage as I have on regular-leaf foliage.

    Our nutrient-leaching only appeared to be an issue earlier in the season, and I wonder if it was just that the nutrients were leaching out of the UPPER soil levels only. Now that the plant roots have grown into deeper soil, it appears they are finding more nutrients. Regardless, I haven't had to feed the tomatoes other than that one shot of Miracle Grow.

    This year I tried a tomato in pots that was new to me. It is a determinate and it produces gigantic tomatoes, one pound and larger, on small, bushy determinate plants that have so far attained a height of about 30" while growing in 10-gallon pots. The tomato plant is called New Big Dwarf and it produces yummy pink tomatoes. It also produces them fairly early in comparison to indeterminates that produce tomatoes of the same size. It isn't new, though, having been introduced in 1915. I love determinate plants in pots, and even have a few in the ground, but they are mostly the paste type.

    I am glad your tomatoes are doing well. I love snacking on the ripe cherry tomatoes right out in the garden as well.

    Dawn