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15 years ago

Just came in from the flower garden again and was noticing some of the dried pods that were overlooked when I was deadheading the hibiscus moscheutos. It brought up a whole new area of discussion. At least, I hope it's a new one.

I've had a lot of fun in the past with grafting, cross-breeding, root and stem cuttings, and collecting seed, as I'm sure a lot of us have done. I know I'm not the only one in the group who has a pair of nippers in permanent residence in the back seat of my car, just in case I see something I can't resist. I draw the line at taking anything from private property because I was so infuriated when I took a bunch of huge, lush fuchsias to a show and got back plants that were half the size. Folks were coming along and tweaking off cuttings to take home. Sheeeeeesh.

Anyway, the hibiscus brought to mind the question, would I be better off to try to start more of it from seed, or rooting some cuttings in these awful climate conditions? In past years I've started big stuff like lilac and sun azaleas from seed when I happened to find it several states away from home. It took forever to get them up to any size, but it did work and they're beautiful now. I've even tried growing German bearded iris from seed, but that wasn't as effective. If you don't try it, you won't know, right?

I've grafted climbing roses onto old wild rootstock like the Ragged Robin; turned branches of a wild cherry tree into production of tasty Van cherries, and took old Jonared apple trees into new production with scions of Granny Smith and Gravenstein. Grafting doesn't always work, but when it does, it's really awesome and a ton of fun.

Seeds are one of my favorite things, but I'm learning to be a lot more careful about the particular needs of each one. I brought back a whole big bunch last year from a friend in CA, but didn't think to stratify them over the winter. Well, duh. It's no wonder the project failed. It was a bad year here altogether for starting seeds, but more attention on my part might have seen a whole new crop of flowers where I still have empty space. All that careful tending and watering in my new seedbed yielded exactly . . . zip. Nada. Drat!! Back to the drawing board for next year. At the moment I'm working on a young paulownia tree that I started from a cutting. It wasn't supposed to work, but it did. My daughter wants it for a replacement for an old ugly cedar she wants to remove. So far the start is about 10 weeks old and is looking good.

Back to the original question about the hibiscus. Are seeds more likely to get started, or cuttings, or try some of both and see which works out the best?

Anyone else have stories to share or suggestions to make on the subject of propagation in general? I'm all ears. (Or eyes, in this case.)

Pat

Comments (3)

  • 15 years ago

    Pat, Start saving you milk jugs and in January when you can only think about gardening, plant your seeds that need some cooling and about once a month heft the jug to see if it needs a little water, but otherwise you can ignore it until warm weather causes it to sprout and grow. Follow the instructions on the web site that I am attaching and you will be amazed at how easy it is. Mostly you will do nothing because it is open to the rain and snow. Since the plant is going to grow under these conditions, this just seems like the best way to get it started. When the weather warms they will either need their tops removed or to be kept in shade as not to heat up. I just open the tops after they sprout, but if a cold night is coming, I can close them up again.

    I don't use this method for tender annuals because by the time they need to be started, I have a light shelf with tomatoes and peppers going, so I just stick in a few more flats.

    We also have some experts on the Oklahoma Forum that will probably chime in also.

    Here is a link that might be useful: wintersown.org

  • 15 years ago

    Excellent suggestion, Carol. I usually keep all the big jugs anyway, because they are so useful for mixing plant food and so on. They are in use every day to haul water to the chickens, and I keep some of them full in case the power goes out and we lose the pump for any length of time. It's just habit.

    The other containers I use are the big dome-top ones that hold a roasted chicken from the deli. We don't buy them very often, but I always save the containers. They make the most perfect little instant greenhouses for starting seeds, and they're easy to move around when necessary. Free is always a nice attribute as well. If I'm paying for the chicken, I like the added bonus.

    One of the things I didn't mention in the original post is layering. I've had excellent success in layering azaleas, and of course honeysuckle likes to layer itself if it gets the chance. Has anyone ever done any air layering? I've found it to be useful when it would put too much stress on the plant if I tried to pull or train a branch down for the traditional method.
    So far my trumpet vine does not appear to be multiplying, and I'm grateful. It's fine where it is, but I don't need any more volunteers showing up.

    Pat

  • 15 years ago

    Yes, yes, save your jugs. We'll have you up and running on Winter Sowing in no time. It sooths the gardening itch n the middle of winter, and will yield you many of the drought tolerant perennials you have mentioned. Easy, peasy, and you don't have to fuss over getting things just right. It all takes cares of itself.

    Sorry to tease you, then run off to daycare. We've got plenty of time to get you up and running.

    Seedmama