OK Citrusnut, I see the Celadine, I think (closer look at the leaves would help). The other looks like a dwarf something. They look good! The "mystery cutting" looks wrinkled in the first pic, not enough water (if youre trying to water root)but the 3rd almost looks like there's hope because of the very new growth on the tips. Unfortunately, I'd say it's probably a goner because of your climate and some parts look like rot. How long has it been in water? I only leave them in water a week or so to see if they plump up. I don't give up easily and wouldn't give up yet.....but it really doesnt look like it can be saved.

Hi Lovefrangis, the Celedine has the double vein around the leaf; the smaller plant is Dwarf Singapore Pink.

The mystery cutting has been in water since September and had a little more growth on the tips. Should refresh the cut and give it bottom heat?

Here's a Dwarf Singapore Pink.

Hi Citrusnut,
I never tryed to root a plumeria cutting in water.
I use that method for many other plant cuttings, but I use smaller quantity of water in the jar (abt 0,5 - 1 inch).

I shall ne very glad to receive some more infromations of rooting in water for plumeria cuttings, is a sucesfully method than rooting in soil?
thanks
John
from Athens

Hi Citrusnut,
I am curious why when you got your mystery cutting you didn't put it in perlite and plant it.. Mystery cuttings if from Maui Gardens can be fantastic plants.

I have never had any luck with water rooting..Always put in peralite mix John. some have. I have 3 cuttings now in pearlite mix in a warm window..hope for roots. Will take longer. Kimo has a red top now with claws, is trying.

Karen B

Citrusnut, is the stem squishy? How does the cut part feel? I don't like water rooting very much, but have done it successfully. I put about an inch or so of water with some superthrive. Lately, I've been doing this and then taking it out, dipping it in rooting hormone and putting a baggie over the end. It's been very successful for me.

Celedine and mystery cutting were put in a perlite mix during the summer. That's when Celedine rooted but nothing happened with mystery cutting so I put it water. I've read here that people have had success with water rooting method.

The cutting is not quishy but does have a little give to it.
The bottom felt hard. I took a knife to scrape the bottom to freshen it up and it was diseased but firm so I started trimming some of the bad stuff away. But it went on. I scooped out what felt like dry rot.
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This is after cutting off a chunk.

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A few cuts later. White fluid flowed from the healthy part.

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It turned out that anything under water was diseased.

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I ended cutting off 5 3/4 inches and 8 1/2 inches remained.

Eached cut was done with a new clean knife so as not to spread disease. Then I followed your recommendations: The bottom was dipped in water with some superthrive and them dipped in rooting hormone and placed in a baggie. It is now on my TV for warmth.

Thanks for your input.

Theresa

Hi Thersa,
Your plant does not have a desease. It just did not do well putting it in water, it rotted. So you are now back to a clean cutting. Some plants it seems do well with water rooting, some do not..sorrry.

Karen B

Karen, you are right in that the plant did not do well in the water, but the rot was caused by either a fungus or bacteria. Standing in cold water made it suseptable, then
when water got stagnant, it lead to lack of oxygen which lead to bacterial and fungal growth which invaded vulnerable tissue, finally causing cell death and disease.

Karen what would you do at this point? Should I pot it up and use bottom heat? And use a tent to hold humidity?

Lovefrangis, what else should I do? Do you keep the hormone end moist? Cause mine is sriveling. Should I pot up in a perlite mix?

Help, I want to save the poor little abused stick.

Thank you both for your advice, it has led me to action. I see now how compromised and unhealthy it is and I feel bad for my ignorance.

Thank you both.

Hi.
there is a solution to avoid fungus-bacteria at water rooting.
Very soon I will open a new topic about that.
John
from Athens

Hi Teresa,
I would at this point plant your plumie stick in a peralite cactus mix..1/3 cactus, 2/3 perlite in a gallon container. Put this mix 1/3 cactus and some peralite and water it mix it up.. Then put in straight pearlite..put your cutting into this mix..tamp down. take some water and water only around the edges, plant has water. mist it once a week..leave it alone. Put it in a warm window..Now.

I do not do heat mats, many do, is the best. So someone needs to come in and give advise there. My method in a warm window takes a long time to root.
Karen B

I'm sorry that your plant doesn't look like it will make it but no harm in trying to save it.
A good sorce of heat could be the top of your frig. after you put it in perlite and keep it on the dry side.
I wish you luck.

Sorry, been a while since I've checked the posts here. Don't put the entire cutting in a baggie, just the dipped tip and tie it off with a rubberband about 2" up. Sorry, I should have been more specific. Don't keep it moist, just leave it in the baggie until you see roots through the baggie.
I'm going to attempt (hope this works) to show you pics of my cuttings (a few months ago). These are cuttings that are left after already rooting about 15 using this method. I've also since added to this bucket lol.
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This is one that (if you look closely) you can see the root.
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Hope this helps. Im looking back at what I write and it seems like jibberish. I just want to try to help you save that cutting. I hate rot and don't usually have too much luck once it starts.

Not sure how to do pics here. If you copy/paste the link things in the above message, without the (IMG) stuff, it might show the pics. Hope so.

Lovefrangis, this AM I figured out that sealing the stick in the baggie was a bad idea and uncovered it and noticed how much sadder the cutting was looking.
For posting pictures, don't use IMG use HTML. Just click on HTML and the area next to it will turn blue, click on that, copy it and paste in the message. At least that's how it works on photobucket. I bet you've got gorgeous pictures to share. Looking forward to seeing some.

Karen, thanks for your info. I got a little confused on what to do with the extra perlite so I just mixed up a batch of perlite/cactus mix. Being I was quite low on perlite, I mixed enough to fill my pot.

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As you can see, it's on the decline, but I will give as good a chance as I know how.

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Those are skewers to tent the baggie (which has a few holes in it). Thats a food warmer that I picked up at a thrift store to start my seedlings. Now it's all up to the stick.

Thank you all, and chime in with any extra advice, please.

Citrusnut, sorry for the bad luck. Rot is hard to control first of all, especially this time of year. Youre in WI which (IMHO) makes it especially hard, to even grow plumeria. I've lost a few to rot and it's devastating. My method works, I've done many cuttings this way and am still waiting on at least 20 to show signs of life as it gets warmer. BUT Im in Florida. It's much warmer here (although been cold lately !) Just took about 12 or so more cuttings, which are actually trees (5 foot multi branched)and plan on doing a similar "technique" :)
PS Ive clicked on all the "codes" and nothing worked!

Lovefrangis, You are quite right about rot being especially hard to control. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the fungus/bacteria has probably already spread through out the cuttings system. I think warmth is its only hope right now. I will observe it and if it shows further decline I will try the baggie method (which does look very promising). Right now I'm afraid to disturb it and will give a chance to stabilize some. The bottom of the pot feels nice and warm and therefore should be a deterrent to bad microorganisms.

That's a bummer about the codes not working for you cause I was looking forward to seeing your plumerias. Keep playing with it.

lovefrangis, here are your pictures:

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Thanks Iowajo!

You're welcome! I'm glad you posted them as I pictured your process totally differently. I thought the ends would be stuck in a baggie with lots of room. It looks like you wrap the plastic around the ends without much extra room. If it EVER warms up again, I might have to buy ANOTHER cutting just to try that method! :)

Well, I'm switching to plan B, because the way I had it, the potting mix was warm, but the cutting was cold. So I took it out of the potting mix and put a baggy around the bottom and put the whole thing in a box on top of my heating plate. Now the whole cutting is warm and in a humid environment. This should make the cutting happy.

Iowajo, thanks for posting the photos, cause I, too, pictured things like you did and that's how I wrapped my stick.

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Just checked the stick and the whole thing is nice and warm. Hope this works cause it's the best chance it has. If it does work, I wonder how long it will take.

Theresa
south central Wisconsin
zone 5 (almost zone 4)

Well, as feared, rot is spreading. Had to cut away some more infected tissue. Will hold on a little longer, but fear the worst. I dipped the newly cut tissue with sulfur, and now the cutting is quite short. Isn't there a minimum size for a cutting to be?

Anyway, should I leave it in its warm chamber or put it on the sunny, but cool window sill?

I feel so bad about my poor cutting.

It didn't make it! The disease kept spreading and overtook the entire cutting. Thank you all for your help.

I feel really bad about about my poor cutting.

I'm a rank amateur with plumies, but I had it drilled into me that cuttings in the perlite/cactus mix should be watered only once at the start, then left DRY until there is a sign of root growth. Karyn1 coached me on this, and I potted all my cuttings in clear 2 liter soda bottles, so it was easy to check for roots without disturbing the plants. No misting, no water for 5 months on a heat mat, and I had ~80% success rate.

I might try the water method sometime when I have cuttings to spare, but I have to regard these as arid-growers and resist overwatering, especially during the winter dormancy.

Good luck!

--Rick in CT

Karyn is correct in my book. Misting the top of the plant is ok. Bill

New to Plumerias but just wanted to say, RIP, Citrusnut's cutting, RIP. it seems that everything was done to save it's life, but the disease was too far spread. I'm sure it will be sadly missed.

I have not ever had a problem with rooting a cutting. Look at the link below as it shows an easy way to get plumie growing. thnx Russ

Here is a link that might be useful: Plumeria Cuttings 101

My Celedine had no problems forming roots in the perlite mix, but the mystery cutting did, so I thought I'd try the water method. Obviously, (and with 20/20 hindsight), it was not a good idea and I wish I had left it in in the perlite mix. I sure do miss it and was hoping to see it flower.