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08/09 Winter Colder or Warmer than normal? Winter Prep Thread

Well, the long range winter forecasts are now upon us, and of of the long term forecasters of lore is predicting a much colder than normal winter for much of United States.

Below is an AP article on the Farmers Almanac. This year, it is is in direct opposition to NOAA's long range outlook for this coming winter. One says colder, one says warmer. Who do you believe? Why? How will it affect your winter prep / protection methods if at all?

A direct link to the article and full credit is given below.

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By JERRY HARKAVY, Associated Press Writer Sun Aug 24, 5:40 PM ET

LEWISTON, Maine - People worried about the high cost of keeping warm this winter will draw little comfort from the Farmers' Almanac, which predicts below-average temperatures for most of the U.S.

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"Numb's the word," says the 192-year-old publication, which claims an accuracy rate of 80 to 85 percent for its forecasts that are prepared two years in advance.

The almanac's 2009 edition, which goes on sale Tuesday, says at least two-thirds of the country can expect colder-than-average temperatures this winter, with only the Far West and Southeast in line for near-normal readings.

"This is going to be catastrophic for millions of people," said almanac editor Peter Geiger.

The almanac predicts above-normal snowfall for the Great Lakes and Midwest, especially during January and February, and above-normal precipitation for the Southwest in December and for the Southeast in January and February. The Northeast and Mid-Atlantic regions will likely have an unusually wet or snowy February, the almanac said.

In contrast, the usually wet Pacific Northwest could be a bit drier than normal in February.

Looking ahead to summer, the almanac foresees near-normal temperatures in most places. But much of the Southwest should prepare for unusually hot weather in June and July, while Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas will get oppressive July heat and humidity.

The almanac not to be confused with the New Hampshire-based Old Farmer's Almanac which is 26 years older  attributes its forecasts to reclusive prognosticator Caleb Weatherbee, who uses a secret formula based on sunspots, the position of the planets and the tidal action of the moon.

Weatherbee's outlook is borne out by e-mails the almanac has received in recent days from readers who have spotted signs of nature they say point to a rough winter, Geiger said. These folklore signs range from an abundance of acorns already on the ground to the frequency of fog in August.

The almanac is at odds with the National Weather Service, whose trends-based outlook calls for warmer than normal weather this winter over much of the country, including Alaska, said Ed O'Lenic, chief of the operations branch at NOAA's Climate Prediction Center. The almanac and the weather service are in sync, however, in pointing to a chance of a drier winter in the Northwest.

O'Lenic wouldn't comment specifically on the almanac's ability to forecast the weather two years from now, but said it's generally impossible to come up with accurate forecasts more than a week in advance.

"Of course it's possible to prepare a forecast with any lead time you like. Whether or nor that forecast has any accuracy or usable skill is another question," he said.

Geiger sticks to his guns, saying the almanac was on target in the 2008 edition when it said the Northeast and the Great Lakes would have a long, cold winter with lots of snow.

The almanac claims a circulation of about 3 1/2 million. Most are sold to banks, insurance companies and other businesses that give them away. Other versions are sold by retailers in the U.S. and Canada.

Circulation has dropped in recent years, a reflection of a trend that affects many print publications. The almanac has been increasing emphasis on its Web site and also offers a half-hour program that airs weekly on about 90 percent of the nation's public television stations.

However, some aspects of the almanac never change. The 2009 retail edition has the usual mix of helpful hints, recipes, gardening tips, riddles, anecdotes, corny jokes and inspirational messages.

If there's a theme to this year's almanac, it's environmental awareness, frugality and living a sustainable life. There are articles on water conservation, gas-sipping motor scooters, natural cures and preventions for colds and other illnesses, and on growing food without a yard.

Comments (10)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I think for me right now it is a little difficult to say what this winter will be.Not everyones weather is the same accross the country. I personally think the almanacs forecast is a joke,I don't want to hurt anyones feelings that likes the almanac,I grew up reading it and it has a lot of cool stuff in it for sure,but I have read their monthly and weekly forecast for the winter and got a chuckle out of their forecast-ex: jan 12-26 very cold, snow blah,blah, I just made that up,as I rememeber thats the way they would write the forecast,like I said I don't want to step on anyone toes that likes the almanac,I will probably pick one up now since I have commented on it,yikes!One thing that makes it tough to figure out right now is-(and Iowa was divided last W/Spring,with record snow and then flooding rain in spring,just to our north) we look to have just come out of a pattern that ran from dec-to early august,and some might argue(probably correctly)that we are still in it.It has been below avg here since mid to late jan and still is.In the recent past our weather patterns have been more broken up and for the most part above avg,so what would you guess the winter is going to be like after 7 months of below avg temps?More of the same seems likely,however in 2004 we had a cool summer(only hit 90F or more like 3 times)but we had a mild winter.I would like to see what sept,oct and nov are before I would even try to guess,if this current trend(at least where I live)continues,there is no reason to believe we wont have a cold winter,lets see what the next three months do.Sorry for the long answer,weather has been a hobby since I was a little kid.As far as what I will do this winter regaurding protection,my hope is,that its not a long winter,I would rather see 6 weeks of frigid weather than 4+months of winter weather like last year.I will be trying 4 different protection methods this winter,1-leaf mulch on some trachys and sabals and a agave,2-a large inclosure for the cactus and quite a variety of other plants, palms, etc that will be heated when single digits or lower are forecast3-x-mas lights and insulation for washys and 4 just throwing down mulch or a bucket on a few trachys only during cold spells(hopefully short ones)and leaving these palms exposed to as much winter weather as possible as a experiment-wow,what a long answer!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Hi
    Interesting subject. I'm still waiting for accurate predictions of the path and intensity of hurricanes lol
    Heck I'd even be happy if they were accurate after they've formed plus or minus 200 miles lol.
    I love reading the long range predictions mainly to check the accuracy. Also have been keeping up on Pacific storms for the same reason.
    With the latest example Fay they were about 10 percent lol Did four things that have nevr happened before .
    The big question of course is WHEN are we going to get that 170MPH 35 inch rainfall monster that either goes straight up the center of the peninsula or stalls over Lake Okeechobee. I was always under the impression that this was an "IF not a "When " question lol
    I'll trade a whole bunch of frosts for a "MAYBE NEVER lol
    gary

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    if, the winter was anything like the summer in virginia then it will be a colder/dryer winter. but it is really hard to "plan" because the weather can turn very suddenly. personally, i will not do anything differently if it is colder. i will say this is my first year with a mexican fan palm, so i will have to really watch that!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I see all the different weather patterns each year here in North Texas, so nothing would be new to me! from -17 deg. to 117 Deg. They can try to predict it if they want but it won't matter. The old saying here is "IF you don't like the weather, stick around!"

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Florida is easy in winter,warm,with a few days where you might need a jacket!Boo whoo,glad we don't have hurricanes though,just tornados,I can just walk accross the street to get away from one of thoseLOL!not so with hurricanes

  • 17 years ago
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    IM kind of a pretty big weather buff myself, and I used to get the farmers Almanac every year when I was a kid as well. I still read it for its interesting articles and such, but really, I think that NOAA is more accurate as its more science based rather than on oak trees "MASTING", and other natural phenomena. For those who don't know, "MASTING" is when Oak trees overproduce acorns to an extreme amount. It happens from time to time some reigons, and from what I understand is more of a survival insurance than anything else. It happend here several years ago, and it was truly incredible just how much acorns were produced. Never seen anything like it. I think it only occurs once in like every 50 or 100 years or something.

    Anyway...Im still hoping for ( and thinking that it will be) a very mild winter here in the Mid Atlantic. We have the same saying here... " if you don't like the weather in D.C., wait 5 minutes". While its not that volatile all the time, we do get fairly changing weather for large portions of the year, especially spring and fall, we were can see 40 degree differences in temps in sometimes as little as 12 hours.

    The D.C. Metro just does not have the same winters it had regularly up until about 1995 or so. The last true "blizzard" we had here was in 1996. The rivers and bay almost NEVER freeze over anymore in the last 10-12 years here, and seeing teens and low 20's in the city is fairly uncommon anymore.

    Were also very hurricane prone here as well, although most are usually strong to medium tropical storms by the time they get here. Although, a few have come through at a category 1 hurricane, like Isabel in 2003. IIRC, it was finally downgraded to a Tropical Storm once it moved just north of the D.C. Metro. Its center passed about 50 miles due west of downtown D.C., putting most of the metro area, and most of VA/MD in the worst / strongest quadrant of the storm. What a trying 24 hours that was. I rode it out in my east facing 14th floor apt at the time, and we had sustained winds up there of 82 MPH for several hours at the hight of it, with a gust to 106. That was the gust that blew the anomometer off of the balcony railing. I can tell you the vines that I could not get down, and the 10' river birch in a large half whisky barrel were all defoliated by the winds, and quite a few of the windows were blown out on the east and south facing windows of the high rises we lived in. Im glad we heavily tapped our large plate glass windows up, because those were the ones that were breaking into peoples apts.

    Anyway, lots of varied weather here. It keeps things very interesting. I just wish we were 1 zone warmer! Who knows, in the close in dowtown areas of NoVA and DC we have moved into a zone 8 in the last 10-14 years, maybe a zone 9 is coming? Im not for "global warming" but man it would be nice to have even milder winters than we do now.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I agree more with the almanac than with NOAA's bunch. As stated in the article, since when has the weather man been able to predict accurately... more than a week? HOWEVER history is history and the Earth's climate runs in cycles. I believe fewer sunspots are legitimate proof for cooler temps. And history, the almanac, has proven this true. As for the acorns, nature is the best predictor... this may or may not be the case with the acorns, but Antartica is having a record snowfall this winter. As is most the southern hemisphere.

    Sure there will be some exceptions, like maybe here in Florida, but there's a good chance the northern hemisphere will be in a longer or cooler winter than recent times. I think it was 2003' or 2004' where the hotter temps hit a plateu and the Earth has been cooling since. Bottom line: The Earth has been cooling/warming longer than any almanac or weather man can predict... we're just fleas on a dog's back with little control and there for the ride.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    If the pattern that Iowa has been in for 8 months or so has shifted then I believe the Northeast may be next to experience lots of precip and cooler than normal temps,you guys got off easy last year!I still yhink its to early to tell if the current longterm pattern has shifted,if it has not then the northern 1/2 off the country maybe in for more below avg temps.
    Nova,I enjoyed reading the farmers almanac too as a kid but allways thought their detailed winter predictions were rediculous,they allways claimed they were so accurate,I never saw it.Last year noaa predicted it would be warmer than avg nov-jan as I recall,not much of a prediction when you consider that its been above avg around the globe for what?15-20 years now?anyway they weere wrong,but I think in the south it did stay warmer than avg.With last fall being so mild and the weather being locked in since then at below avg,say from, St.louis north,it will be very interesting to see what this winter is like!My hope as far as winter goes for my area is,sunny and dry,that would be the oppisite of last winter for sure!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I forgot to mention that the year that the Oak trees "masted" here, we had a warmer than normal, very mild winter.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Jim
    A common misconception about florida, south especially is that it never gets cold.lol it can and does get cold all the way to Key West on a regular basis.Instead of yearly seems to run in 5 year patterns.
    27 degrees for one hour is just as fatal to tropical plants
    as 6 months ,unfortuneately lol. It has even snowed all the way to Miami.lol No repeat since 1978.
    My personal low last year was 35 but it was overcast and windy!! The high the next day was 52 a record low
    Another is tornadoes . Florida has the 3rd highest numbers of them in the US. Not those big monsters of the midwest but short and furious and totally unpredictable.
    With Fay the damage was done not by the TS but tornadoes and water.
    Another interesting fact about florida is Lightening. More strikes with greater intensity than all the rest of the US combined. I believe the greatest number of fatalities in the world. The last I heard of was a golfer
    carrying a golf club. I guess he never heard of the lightening rod??
    BTW Whenever it drops below 50 I break out my 'Parka"lol
    Always get a laugh when telling people about the "horrors "of a Florida winter. Never sympathetic!!! lol
    gary