I will put a link below to photos of a popular climber called Don Juan. See what you think:

Here is a link that might be useful: Don Juan

Thanks! I was thinking that it might be Don Juan.

Any guesses on the other? I need better photos of the whole climber, but I got distracted by rust on it....

I'm sorry that I have no guess on your other climber.

I notice that this board doesn't get as many visitors as it used to.

Maybe if you post pictures on the regular Roses Forum someone there might recognize your second rose. Best of luck!

Is the darker red very fragrant? I'm thinking it might be the climbing form of Oklahoma.

I agree, if the darker one is exceptionally fragrant it could be Oklahoma. Several years ago there were mislabeled reds at a big box store - Oklahoma's and Don Juans. We purchased what we thought was 2 Don Juans to flank our entrance to our barn. However, much to my dismay - only cause I am one of those OCD types about symmetry in the garden - one is Don Juan (huge now, spread 12-14 feet) and the Oklahoma quite a bit shorter maybe 6-7 feet but extroidinary smell! Good enough that we will not be sacrificing her anytime soon :) good luck!

More photos of the unknown red climber, Dr Huey??

http://www.carolsimages.com/My-Month-Current-Images/Moms-Old-House-Garden-April/i-JvgTdPX/0/M/20120406-gardenMG3479-M.jpg

http://www.carolsimages.com/My-Month-Current-Images/Moms-Old-House-Garden-April/i-B4VztWd/0/M/20120406-gardenMG3480-M.jpg

http://www.carolsimages.com/My-Month-Current-Images/Moms-Old-House-Garden-April/i-V2M5mv8/0/M/20120406-gardenMG3481-M.jpg

http://www.carolsimages.com/My-Month-Current-Images/Moms-Old-House-Garden-April/i-wCwzqPb/0/M/20120406-gardenMG3485-M.jpg

I sprayed (eek) with dormant oil a tad later than I should have, not sure if that is why the buds are a bit funky or if they just did not like the rain.

Here is a link that might be useful: