JIM,first let me apologize for stealing your other thread I should not be posting that amount of pictures on someone else's thread and I apologize again for doing that.LOL
Harold

Serena, my prayers are with you while you are going through these difficult times but I know you will come out of this bless and protected. LOL LOL

JIM, I was reading you post on late fall prunning, sorry I have no advice on that subject, but have you visited this web site. They have a forum on growing roses in cold weather. PS: I'm known as kidrose on that site. LOL
Harold

.rosarianscorner.net

Harold, LOL... It doesn't matter if you post pics in here...LOL... You & others are welcome to post pics or comments anytime. When things fill up, I just start another thread...LOL
Honestly, it's fine.

I'll check out the cold weather site there kidrose...LOL

JIM

Awww, thanks so much Jim and Harold! for your kind thoughts and prayers! Hope everyone has been enjoying their gardening. I have a few more roses to add to my lumpy garden thread pretty soon! I finally! got a classical hybrid tea shape out of Tiffany hurray. I figure with The young own-root roses maturing they will start to gain more of their proper hybrid tea shape. Fragrant Cloud won't behave though! and man, talking about lumpiest of lumpies! it looks like crazy bedhead, hee-hee. Thanks to your support, Jim and Harold, I can cheer up a little.

Jim, you know what. I struggle with sleep (too much stress) and then I always get woken up early in the morning with wrong numbers. It's impossible to go back to sleep either. It's been like this non-stop. Sigh! I haven't had good rest for ages! thank goodness roses can't tell I've been sleep-deprived, haha!

well, maybe that's why Fragrant Cloud looks so disheveled and lopsided. It's imitating my groggy condition!

Harold any more yummy vegetable photos? Yum, yum, yum! I just bought some spaghetti squash too. My favorite squash!

Jim, check out Sue's Butterfly thread!

Serena the only thing I have growing is some turnips and Sweet basil I love to make Pesto. This will be the third time I've cut it back this year. I just planted so more Swiss Chard love me some Chard.LOL
Harold

Deeeelicious. Now my tummy's really, really growwwling and my pots and pans are waiting! I love both basil and turnips!!! I always cook with real butter and cream. Hey, the basil I saw at Powell Gardens was quite large. About 2'6". Does yours have lots of white little flowers on it? I was surprised to see the basil that large.

Wow Harold! You grow everything...LOL

JIM

Yes, Serena basil can easily get to 2ft-3ft heigh. But it is best to harvest it before it flowers and goes to seed this can give it a bitter taste. I'm going to harvest some tomorrow to make some fresh pesto, I love it on toased bread.LOL LOL

Jim did you get a chance to check out the rose web site and if so what did you think of it. LOL LOL
Harold

Harold, I tried to join, but, it wouldn't let me...LOL
I'll try again.

JIM

serenasyh, where did you buy your Gardenville Sea Tea?
I think i'm going to use that next season for all our potted roses.
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Harold, I tried to join again, but, it said my e-mail address can not be used on there board???

JIM

Jim you are the second person to tell me that their e-mail was rejected. I'm going to contact them and find out why.LOL LOL
Harold

Hi, Jim! I have to get my Gardenville Sea Tea online now! I just lucked out when my local nursery was selling its very last remaining stock and happened upon it. It is such a wonderful fertilizer! I love it! Lol! and so do my roses! And for lazy me, it takes care of all the power-house mixing for me! Next year, I will definitely get your DrammaticK for the foliar spray too against the shhhh...bl***sp** and keep with Gardenville as my "magic" rose feed. I do agree that when one takes up organic gardening you just have to accept the Big-Yuck Spot!!! is just part of life. I am hoping that next year that so long as I'm careful to plant roses in the sun that they will still flourish. By the way Freddie is so happy when I relocated him. After feeding him the Sea Tea, (before, I could only feed every 5 weeks because of the crappy drainage and soggy soil that wouldn't dry properly) he is now bursting! with bunches of new leaves and new tiny stems with purple clusterings. Poor Frederick Mistral only has 2 main canes and 2 small tiny canes (one completely! leafless and the other with only 2 leaves originally). Defoliated from bl***sp** and sun deprivation. Well all that nakedness is being replaced by new growth.

Jim I think I'll call my arch-enemy Big-Yuck for short. The only thing that raises my blood pressure faster than Big Yuck, LOL! is monster rabbit. They will destroy roses faster than any insect or Big-Yuck! But at least rabbits are very easily controlled, not so with Big-Yuck. Jim, I am not happy with all this rain and its breeding of rampant Big-Yuck. I forgot how rainy it gets in Kansas during the fall because AT THE TIME I WASN'T GROWING ROSES! aaaaargh!!!! LOL!

Harold, your basil keeps making me huuuungry! each time I look at this thread, Hahahaha!

serenasyh, recently we had a baby rabbit chewing on Courageous, but, when I left the dogs out, I didn't know it was up there chewing. Candy our dog went straight up to Courageous and started playing with the baby rabbit, but, got to rough and accidentally killed it. Candy was sad and began licking the baby rabbit, so, I had to bury it.
There was no blood or marks on the rabbit and i'm really not sure why it died? Could it of been scared to death?

Yes, Big-Yuck as you call it...LOL...Stinks!

JIM

Oh, picked 65 rose slugs off our roses today. They are turning our rose leaves into skeletons...LOL

JIM

Jim here's a trick I learned I put cracked corn and bird seed at the end of my driveway. I always have a ton sparrows and other birds eating there all the time. So the other day I noticed some apids and rose slugs on my roses. So that afternoon I didn't put out any food, guess what those little buggers were all in my roses just a pecking away at the leaves. LOL LOL
Harold

Harold, the sparrows cleaned off our rose bushes all summer, but, in the past 2 weeks, I haven't seen any and the rose slugs are going rampant now. I need the sparrows back! LOL
Maybe i'll lure them back with crackers...LOL

JIM

Harold, i'll get some wild birdseed tomorrow and spread it around our roses. Hopefully, the sparrows will return. I'll try your trick.

I was spending some time tonight uploading pics of our roses on to the Helpmefind.com site. Pics of sweet afton, Courageous and Precious Platinum.

JIM

ALRIGHT!!, Jim I'll have to check them out later and see how they look. LOL LOL
Harold

Serena I wish you could have been here today to help me eat some of the fresh Pesto it was sooooo good on toasted bread. It makes a phatboy fatter.LOL LOL
Harold

I'm going to order one of those pump sprayers. That should make it easier to spray drammatic k on our roses.
Planet Natural has a 2 gallon pump sprayer for $30

I've been e-mailing Karl and doing research and in our climate hybrid tea roses die-back nearly to the ground in winter months.. I think that is what's been happening with Precious Platinum. MichealG said, most hybrid teas get internal cane damage when it gets below 10 degrees. So, i'm going to try Karls idea of wrapping a cage around Precious Platinum and Courageous, then filling with shredded oak leaves.
I'll use chicken wire & probably wrap burlap around the wire, then fill up with the shredded leaves.

JIM

Karl wrote back and told me not to wrap the chicken wire in burlap and to make sure the oak leaves are placed loosely around the rose. I need to be more concerned about protecting the crown. So, i'll place about 15" - 20" of loose shredded oak leaves on Platinum and less on Courageous and see what happens.

He said, you can over-protect your roses and cause damage.
Boy, this ought to be fun...LOL

JIM

Deeelicious Harold with the pesto. But wicked me is thinking hmmmm, what about baby rabbit loin with tender thinly sliced turnips and a fricassee of egglant and pesto on the side. LOL! Jim and Harold I am so evil with the rabbit unlike innocent Candy. Hahahahaha! YUMMMMMMMMMM!

Jim, uhhhhh, you will have to email me this about the burlap. Are you sure you didn't misunderstand Karl? It is common practice to protect roses by wrapping burlap not directly on the rose but along the enclosure. For me, I'm wrapping the burlap around combinations of tomato cage contraptions that surround the roses. But then there are people who actually bundle up the roses directly. The only problem with this, is that the roses will be protected but then! stay rigid into this shape, which might retain this awkward shape once spring arrives. Perhaps this is where the misunderstanding occurred? Usually if you just wrap the burlap close to the rose with the enclosures you should be perfectly fine!

I sent you a e-mail. The base of the rose is the most important part to protect. But, if you loosely pile oak leaves over the base, then you CAN NOT wrap the wire cage in burlap.

If you just wrap burlap around the wire cage, you are NOT protecting the important part, the base...LOL

See what I mean about all this stuff...LOL

JIM

Jim check this out.LOL LOL
Harold

http://www.rose-gardening-made-easy.com/winterizing-roses.html

Harold, I checked out the website. Good article. I seen that coat they have for roses...LOL

I will wrap chicken wire around the roses and use oak leaves to cover the crown. 10 inches or so.

I was looking out in the yard today and noticed the neighbors garage and shed and houses. Thinking to myself, alot of the winter winds are blocked somewhat in some directions here. Only have 1 direction that is not blocked, so, I probably could put a tarp on our fence to block winds from that direction. Roses will still get air-flow and sun.

One has to remember that whatever they use, it needs taken back off CAREFULLY in the Spring, so, as not to disturb any canes or new growth at the crown or graft.
If soil is used they recommend using a light stream of water from a hose to remove the soil.

Thanks Harold!

JIM

Sweet Afton is definitely going to GO next Spring. I have been cutting most of the blooms off this season to promote growth in other ways.

Well, I left all blooms on Sweet Afton this time and ALL the blooms completely fell off 2 days after they started opening. LOL
Courageous does not do this, they stay on alot longer.

JIM

hee-hee, Jim and Harold, you all must be soft-hearted sweet folk like Eluane, not evil rabbit haters like myself bwahahaha! I noticed my yummy tender roasted rabbit reply has been tactfully avoided. Hahahaha!

Jim so who are you going to give Sweet Afton to?

P.S. burlap is just a wind protector. It goes around the cage that holds in the mulch. What I like about mulch is that there's so much gaps in it where moisture can easily leave. True it's not as good as oak leaves but what I don't like about oak leaves is that many hold gall. and when gall gets into the roses it has to be cut out. I didn't dare ask Karl this since I don't have oak leaves anyway. Karl has had gall on his roses before. To me with oak leaves there is a slight or minimal risk. On the other hand, straw is the perfect solution if one has access to it. One always hears about straw to keep the barn animals warm and dry.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the tender loin rabbit comment...LOL
I was going to reply, but, got side tracked on that over-wintering stuff.

That baby rabbit is better off where it is at, then eating our roses...LOL... That rabbit was eating our roses in the daytime. It was small enough to get through or under our fence. LOL... Not a problem anylonger...LOL

If you use Burlap around your roses, whatever material you use to cover the crown with, is probably NOT going to dry like Karl says. You will be cutting out cankered canes come Spring...LOL

Our neighbor uses potting soil to mound her roses and the rose canes are all cankered. So, i'm not using potting soil...LOL

Bad thing is all roses are different, what works for one person, might not work for another with different roses.

Scary situation...LOL

I'm going to use a loose pile of shredded oak leaves about 10" - 12" high and see what happens. I'll check the leaves throughout the winter to make sure they remain somewhat loose...LOL

JIM

I'm afraid to use the mulch we have for covering the rose crown. This mulch and most mulches are suppose to be kept away from the crown & canes. I'm not familiar with other mulches, just what we use though.

I'm guessing, but, if you covered the crowns or grafts of 10 different roses with soil, some may get canker and some would not. Probably true with ALL covering material.
That's what makes it scary...LOL

hee-hee, well the neighbor shouldn't have used potting soil to mound THE ENTIRE ROSE, lol! I just put a small heap near the base, the rest of the rose will be surrounded by the mulch. Jim, I think I'm going to order that DrammaticK anyways! instead of waiting until spring. The terrible bl**yuck is now infecting my backyard!!! I think the non-stop wind keeps blowing more fungus spores everywhere! and the non-stop rainy weather and clouds keep rolling in. And synthetic fungicides are too dangerous and toxic with all the extra equipment needed and it's still has to be brought into the house!!! the liquid is so thick it's hard to wash out! Poor roses! I may have to sacrifice them and let them fend for themselves. I think I may return back to Greencure and just the DrammaticK once it arrives at my doorstep and let be let be....I'm just not comfortable with all these poisonous concoctions left inside my house. Today it was so breezy that I dared not spray until 6:00 p.m. and refused to let my little Eluane out to play her last frisbee round. She was so disappointed!

Once Blackspot has set in, you need to use the strong fungicide on it. Drammactic k will only hopefuly help prevent it.
Ask MichaelG or Karl, they will tell you the same thing.
This is a bad time of the year for blackspot as it severely weakens the roses. Not good, when cold weather is coming.

JIM

You need to keep notes on when Blackspot starting showing up on your roses this season. Because next season you will get it again, sooner or later.
Blackspot spores will over-winter on the leaves and canes.
Come Spring you will have to use a strong fungicide to rid the canes of spores and spray the newly emerging leaves. Drammactic K will not help you with this task!
Once your roses are free of spores and BS, then you can try using Drammactic K to retard BS. But, if BS does return, you will have to use the stronger fungicide again and come to the realization that you may have to use the stronger stuff always. Or you can buy better disease resistance roses. BUT,

I have read several articles that said, each year the strain of BS changes and that means a resistance rose that doesn't get BS one year, can get BS the following year because the strain has changed.

JIM

THIS IS FROM KARLS WEBSITE ON BLACKSPOT:

Q: Blackspots-2

My roses have a terrible case of black spot. I have taken Jerry Bakers advice and painted every leaf with a tomato leaf, onion and rubbing alcohol brew. This has seemed to help some. But, I still have black spots. I have already cut two bushes back due to all of the leaves falling off.

Last summer my roses were beautiful I sprayed them regularly and never had this problem. Now this summer with a new baby they have been a little neglected. Thank you

A:
You should have written to Jerry Baker as it seems his advice isn't working. I don't follow or even know what his advice is. The only way to control black spot is to prevent it, not wait for it to appear. If his advice were that good every American Rose Society member would be following it. We don't like black spot either. I recently suffered a massive stroke and cannot get out to my rose beds like I should. They are suffering because of it. Many of my roses are leafless sticks. I remove any blooms from them but do not cut them back as they will leaf back out. Preventative spraying is the only way to control black spot. That means spraying with a fungicide labeled for roses when the bushes leaf out in the spring and continuing as directed on the label all through the summer and into the fall until the first hard frost. To kill any BS now, spray 3 times, 3 days apart with Manzoceb or Manzate. This should clean up your foliage. Then spray with Banner Maxx mixed with Manzoceb every two weeks as a preventative. If you only have a few roses you may not want to spend all that money on Banner Maxx. You can get the same active ingredient in Fertilome's Liquid Systemic Fungicide. Banner Maxx requires 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon per gallon while the Fertilome product requires 2 tablespoons per gallon. Banner Maxx is about $70 a pint and the Fertilome product is $21 a pint. A pint of BM would last many years if you have just a few roses. Funginex, Daconil, and Immunox available from many garden centers, Home Depot and Wal*Mart will work also.

Make sure you follow the directions carefully and read the label.

Good luck with your new baby! Right now that is the most important thing in your life. Roses can be replaced quite easily.

A source for Manzoceb, Manzate, and Banner Maxx is www.muncyrose.com or www.rosemania.com
Spraying will take less time than painting the leaves.

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The link to this article is:
http://www.rosenut.com/askrosenut/Q&A1.htm#Blackspots-2

That greencure stuff you talk about, have you used it before? Would that stuff work in a pump sprayer?
I might try that stuff. Somehow I missed reading about it in your post. Hummmm

The only way to know if it truly works is to use it when the roses first leaf out in Spring and follow a regular spray program.
I think I will buy Greencure and try it. Hopefully it works in a pump sprayer?

JIM