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Adding Ca when planting, during season?

15 years ago

I've read the FAQ, I will do my best to keep watering consistent but no telling what Mother Nature has in store for us this summer.

We never had problems with BER in old spot but there Ca and Mg were "very high" and N was "medium" after a couple years of amendments. I am planting edamame there this year and high-season veggies (fruits, actually) are moving to a new spot.

I had a soil test done by the state lab, pH was 4.4, lime (I assume dolomitic) was recommended 202 lbs for 1000sf. We applied 60 lbs/1000sf of fast-acting calcitic lime back in April. I don't know how much 1 application affected the Ca since I have not tested since. I guess I can bring in another sample for testing but it's getting a little late for planting - I've got to get these tomatoes out of the pots, some of them have been repotted twice(going to do it Sat, the next 2 nights are going to be in the mid-40's)!

My soil test recommendations were very general, and the PhD I spoke to about interpretation agreed that too much lime was recommended for my blueberry patch, so I really don't have any confidence that the lime recommendation above is specifically for Ca requirements for tomatoes in this area, the 202lbs/1000sf may have been based on simply getting the pH close to neutral.

I don't want to lime the whole area again right now - I just want to adjust the pH, Ca, and N in the trenches where I'm planting, mulch the aisles, then till everything in, lime again, and plant a cover crop after harvest.

Square Foot Gardening recommends 1/2C lime per 4ft long trench per month (surface application). Says nothing about liming the trench when you are preparing it. I plan on mixing our sandy loam 50/50 with some nice screened (but untested) topsoil (also sandy loam but darker color, may have some OM in it) I got, also have some UCG from *bucks (might have about 60 gal by Sat, have over 30 today and picking up more) and as much leaf mold as I can get. Don't have much finished compost for 120 cf of trenches (plan on 1 ft deep, 1 ft wide, 3 40-ft long rows planted 2 ft apart, will sucker the plants). If I get any from my very small compost bin this summer most likely most efficient use of it will be for tea? I plan on mulching with newspaper covered with partially composted wood chips b/c that's what I have available.

NC State just recommends 3/4C lime (plus fertilizer) applied "per plant", doesn't say how deep to work it in (6-9" like they recommend with OM, for clay or sandy soil?) or per "soil test recommendations".

Any recommendations on what/how much lime (dolomitic or the calcitic, pelleted water-activated that we applied in April) or another type of Ca supplement to apply and when? Mixed into soil, side-dressed, mixed with mulch (but not touching plants), or diluted in water? As I said, I've never had problems with old garden so have never had to fertilize at all, but the soil tests on this spot came back deficient so I want to be sure we're starting off on the right foot - I have about 60 tomato plants, almost 1/3 of them Speckled Romans so I'm a bit worried about BER. Thanks

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  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Since no one else has chimed in I will even tho it is probably too late if you have already planted them.

    A couple of things to keep in mind: 1) adding stuff to a hole unless it is a really BIG hole does little good since the roots don't stay in the hole. Additives may be of benefit right after transplanting but once the plant is established it has out grown the 'hole'.

    2) with a soil pH that far out of whack it really doesn't make much difference what you add or don't add in the way of nutrients because they won't be available to the plants. The acidic pH binds them up in the soil

    So improving your soil pH is the primary focus not the possibility that the soil may or may not be Ca++ deficient. It probably isn't.

    3) And lastly as previously discussed in your post on the Vegetable gardening forum, BER is NOT a result of insufficient Ca. Tests show plenty of Ca even in BER fruit. The issue is one of even distribution of the Ca throughout the fruit while it is developing on a young plant. And that is a soil moisture issue.

    BER happens sometimes no matter what you do. Even in ideal soil. There is no "cure", no quickie fix, no hole additive that can prevent it. So things like bone meal and egg shells, milk, and TUMS, etc. do nothing but make the gardener feel better. The plant could care less.

    BER is usually found in the first fruit of the spring when the weather is inconsistent and the plant is young. As the weather stabilizes and the plant's circulatory system matures, IF the gardener is providing a consistent level of soil moisture, the BER disappears all on its own.

    Given your soil test results you'll have more serious potential problems to deal with than BER. With that pH ALL the nutrients, minerals, and micro-nutrients are going to be difficult to supply to the plants until the soil pH is corrected. Lime will need to be your friend and frequent applications throughout the growing season may be the only solution.

    JMO

    Dave

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks Dave. I know this isn't good soil, but it is what it is, and it's going to take a while to improve.

    We didn't get the tomatoes planted yesterday (another night below 50, and I left them out all day, they got a bit burnt since high winds/hail threw my hardening schedule off). Took all day to dig 3 trenches (and DH started a 4th), I only partially filled 1 since I decided to screen the original soil (5 gal bucket at a time) before throwing it back in.

    So far the mix is 2 parts original sandy loam (one spot more clay than other end so I mixed and put it on opposite end than it came from), 1 part UCG, 2 parts shredded leaves/leaf mold from woods, 2 parts new screened (untested) topsoil. Stirred in as added each layer but not thoroughly so only some leaves are on top, most of the UCG and sand are still on the bottom. No lime - DH says he thinks it's better just to lime around each plant? I still have room for more soil mix in trench, figured it might be easier to fill (or almost fill) after the plants are in place, probably Monday since today will be filling the rest of the trenches.

    I know there's no quickie fix, and I hope this mix (and constant monitoring) will help control the moisture. As I said, we've had no problem in the past, but haven't grown in this soil before, and haven't grown paste tomatoes before so I was concerned.

    Do you have any suggestions for anything else to add to the mix, and/or mid-season (or monthly?) fertilizing? You mention "frequent" liming - how often and how much would you recommend?

    Thanks,

    Shelly