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Newbie Found Worms Trying to save until I get or build some bins

18 years ago

I tried unsuccessfully to do container worm composting about 10 years ago and gave up because I couldn't get the few worms I could find to live very long. About a year ago, I found more information about it on the internet and I decided to try it again, but couldn't find a local red wiggler supply..my idea was to pick up a container from a bait shop as a start. I looked all over my yard and couldn't find worm one. So, I put the worm idea on the back burner and decided to try a compost pile, it is very hard work! But, I tried it until my neighbors compost pile caught on fire and nearly burned down his garage.

I got sick this year and could not keep up with my yard work and a few things like bags of leaves,a few bags of shredded paper, boards, and just junk and bricks piled up in my pea-gravel drive way.

When I began to clean up the mess, I found thousands of red wiggler worms nesting under any and everything laying on the ground. They were huge and wiggled so vigerously one would think they were snakes! I grabbed up coffee cans and flower pots to put them in because I really do want to get some kind of worm composting going. I don't have any bins made and I was afraid they would die if I left them in the cans, so I started throwing them in my flower beds and I put down a layer of shredded paper over some dead leaves and covered them with some black plastic. I did not add water to any ground that may have been already damp. But Can I just put them in my old, cold compost area and board it in? Will they stay there until I can get some regular bins made? I have gophers and moles and armadillos,fireants, and sugar sand soil (which is really what I wanted to improve by composting). In the pea-gravel they were not bothered by the fireants or moles it seems. Any suggestions at all would be very appreciated. They are local red wigglers and only borough in winter months.

Thanks.

Comments (6)

  • 18 years ago

    From what you said about them wiggling some much I would venture to say that you have some african nightcrawlers. They love rotting leaves and yard waste. They wiggle so much that they even break in two sometimes. They should do fine in the boarded up compost pile. (if it doesn't heat up to much).

  • 18 years ago

    Actually, you will probably find those worms anywhere you leave organic matter on the ground to help keep it moist. I used to find them on the concrete where the wood mulch would wash after a rain. When disturbed they would bounce around like they were on a hot skillet. Anyway, you can probably greatly improve you sugar sand soil by keeping everything mulched. I sprinkled compost and cornmeal under my citrus trees and covered with a very thin layer of wood chips and now there are worms there. I have very sandy soil too.
    You might have difficulty finding the worms again when you want them, life usually seems to work that way. You probably don't need to board up the compost pile, the worms can live in it as is. You are not likely to keep worms from escaping if they want to. You are more likely to entice them to stay somewhere by providing the conditions they like. Perhaps recreate the conditions under which you found them, (I know, easier said than done.)

    In any case, your goal is to improve you soil, spreading mulch in your gardens is going to be your best bet. I would probably do shredded paper with leaves on top to make it look prettier. Another option is to build lasagna beds. Lay down wet mats of newspaper or cardboard and cover that with layers of moist organic matter. You can let those age or plant small plants right in the layers. the worms will likely come up from under to enjoy the moist food rich conditions. Worms natural food source is leaf litter but stuff that gets broken down by bacteria quicker are favorites since what worms actually do is slurp up the bacteria that is breaking down the organic matter.

    Oh, and if you want to buy some worms, don't let the lack of local suppliers stop you. There are mail order companies that can get a box of live worms to you in short order.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Where I got my worms

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks you two. I looked on the internet for worms with the idea of supplimenting my income with them about 4 years ago. At that time, there were not nearly as many ads and information about worms as there are now. I do think that at that time I could not find any plain old red wigglers and I did buy several containers of about 2 dozen each of African nightcrawlers. And I did turn them loose in my compost pile to see what would happen. And I just forgot about them. I figured they would die because I had always heard that the African Nightcrawlers did not do well in the warmer weather down here. TODAY, I finally learned that they are basically the same worms as red wigglers...only larger because they eat better as domestic
    condition have encouraged bigger and healthier...like people, I guess.

    I do have newspapers that I can put on the ground. And I have leaves from my neighborhood which I collected last winter and kept in black plastic bags, planning to cover my tender plants and compost my yard...but, as I said, I got a case of the shingles and it has really put kinks in my plans and activities. I appreciate learning that I can do the lasagna thingy and put small cuttings or plants in it to start. I can see that with enough worms, they won't burn up first. I will try that this winter ( which hit today!) But, as I wrestled with the huge bags of leaves and debris that my neighbors scrapped off their yards last winter, I wondered if I could wet down the leaves inside the bags and throw in a thousand worms and get a bag of worms by next summer? I can stack the bags where they won't get hot or burn and the cats have already punched enough ventalation holes in the sides...Wouldn't that make me a bag of compost eventually? And wouldn't that make a nice place for the worms to build a much larger family? I love worms. Always have. =o)

  • 18 years ago

    I'm not sure how great a home the black plastic bag of leaves would make for the worms but I suppose if they don't like it they will leave by the holes. If you try it, let us know how many worms you find in the bag in the spring.

    African night crawlers are a different species than the smaller red wrigglers. Actually there are several species of worms that people call red wrigglers, or red worms. Many worm sellers will sell "bed run" which is usually at least two or three different species of worms, that way there is a wider range of conditions where at least one type of worms will do well for you. The company I got my worms from sell Eisendia Fetida and Lumbricus Rubellus and perhaps there was even a third type in my batch.

  • 18 years ago

    "bed run" should only refer to the various sizes of worms at different ages and should not have anything to do with different types of worms in a bed.

  • 18 years ago

    Again, I thank you two for your input. I have begun to do some research based on the things you guys had to say here and I am becomming very excited about the possibilities and potentials I have in my present situation! I also followed that link you gave me, tclynx, and found the most remarkable articles down at the bottom of the page called THE BURROW. It has the story of a guy's experiments with his worms and his findings, which already gives me some understanding of why I may have all these worms after all. I am also getting a feel that it isn't brain surgury and that I can actually improve my overall soil condition while getting rid of my little bit of food scraps. This is exciting!
    I also located pictures of what other people are doing to make their worm beds, plus, I lurked through all the things I could find in the forum and I have a much better idea of what a bed of worms consists of. It seems that any bed I can build for plants is potential as a worm bed as well. Also, plank pathways with leaf debris or shredded paper as a base will also encourage the worms as that is what they were doing when I found them, laying under stuff.
    I think I am going to purchase one of the containers / or perhaps make my own container and do some real experimenting. But, now I know that I can keep them outside...and if they don't have enough food with shredded paper and leaf fall and downed rotting trees...then they never will have enough food.
    I will keep that bag of leaves and test for worms in the spring. I think that the worms may have crawled in there by themselves already and I will report what I find. I also wondered if I could put bedding in a gallon plastic milk carton, punch holes in it all over, keep it damp and throw in 3 pairs of worms to see if I can get a carton of soil and a bunch of worms. I actually fixed up that experiment about a week before joining the forum and I dated the milk carton. I just had to know what is possible as my main interest started out being plants.
    Again, it is appreciated greatly that you both have responded. I can't tell the difference between species or breeds of worms and may never be able to, but as long as they eat until my soil is beautiful, that is enough for me, at this point. Thanks a bunch of worms! =o)

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