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Which one would you pull?

15 years ago

Trying to get to the bottom of my extreme 2-4,D damage I finally called the North Carolina Agriculture Department. Today a pesticide specialist came to inspect my plants. He was so thorough, he interviewed the landscape maintenance company who service the next door neighbors, got all of their records on what and when they sprayed. The dates and the type of spray did not correlate with dates of the damage to my plants. He interviewed the County Extension Service where I took my plants to be evaluated. They now think it may be the manure I dug into the ground to prepare the beds.(Parent company Dow) So I have to pull a plant and bag it to be sent to North Carolina State for testing, and get a baggy full of soil in case it is 2,4-D damage. The extension service is doing this for free as they have had an unprecedented amount of 2,4-D damage this year to tomatoes in our county, More than they have ever seen and most of them say there was no herbicide sprayed. All are very weak, but still putting out fruit and blossoms. I have a red Brandywine, a Lucky Cross, a German Red Strawberry, an Aunt Ruby's German Green and a Gallo that are severely damaged. Which to pull? I've not grown any of these before so if I were to get fruit on some which would I want to keep? And are they safe to eat? Oddly, however, the same manure and mushroom compost was added to five plants in a different vicinity and they are doing fine. Did show some damage in early May but they have outgrown it. These are my dwarfs, Cherokee Purple and Nepal. I have ripe tomatoes from these plants, are they safe to eat?

Thanks ever so much,

Jennie

Comments (9)

  • 15 years ago

    Perhaps you've already seen this. It's clopyralid or aminopyralid contamination of manures & compost. Symptoms are essentially the same as from 2,4-D.
    http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/soilmgmt/Clopyralid.htm

    Descries an easy bioassay gardeners can do without having the plant analyzed.

    Here is a link that might be useful: herbicide contaminated OM

  • 15 years ago
  • 15 years ago

    Yes, Jean, I was convinced it was the landscape maintenance company that was damaging my plants. I had read the reports on contaminated manure but discounted that as I had bought a reputable brand and it was bagged. I guess I really have done my own bioassay as I have planted out 3 sets of replacements at three different times, one as late as June 24th, and they all showed damage within weeks. My question was are the tomatoes safe to eat and which one would you pull as they are all still producing some flowers and fruit, even though damaged. I guess I will pull the Gallo as it is more a paste type and I probably won't get enough to do anything with. If the contaminate is proven to be from the manure, then I should probably pull all the plants if the tomatoes aren't safe to eat.
    Jennie

  • 15 years ago

    Pull the paste-type as the fruit shape will likely have concentrated any contamination problems for testing.

    As to eating, it is a difficult choice and basically yours to make.

    Consider this - We all eat store-bought foods that have been grown in herbicide and pesticide sprayed fields and have done so for many years. Personally, I wouldn't eat yours fresh but I would cook or can with them since I believe the cooking/canning process will destroy or neutralize many contaminants. They would be as safe as eating commercially canned tomatoes at least.

    JMO

    Dave

    PS: thanks Jean for linking the previous discussion. It helps to have access to all the info.

  • 15 years ago

    Yes Thanks Jean for posting my original thread, I should have posted the latest on that thread but didn't think of it. Dave, I will pull the Gallo for the tests and will pull the rest of the severely damaged ones and dispose of them. Too tempting to eat the fruit!
    But I have the other plants in a different area that had damage early in May, but now have all healthy new growth and are producing lots of new blooms and tomatoes. I must not have worked in as much manure there. That is the mystery to the extension agents and the NCDA inspector, that those plants seem to have outgrown the damage.
    Thanks for all your help.
    Jennie

  • 15 years ago

    You said "My question was are the tomatoes safe to eat and which one would you pull as they are all still producing some flowers and fruit, even though damaged."

    If you contact the manufacturer(s), they would say "No."

    Someone else said:
    "We all eat store-bought foods that have been grown in herbicide and pesticide sprayed fields and have done so for many years...."

    That's a far different issue. Those pesticides have been tested on edibles and the dose & application is designed to allow residuals on edibles at safe levels only.

    The pesticides contaminating the OM weren't mean to be used for edibles.

  • 15 years ago

    Common sense should have told me the tomatoes were inedible. The fruits get their nutrients from the plant, which gets its' nutrients from the soil. And my soil is probably contaminated. This raises an interesting question in my mind though, if Clopyralid is still allowed on pastures where animals graze and hay fields they are fed.....are those animals used for meat and milk? Glad I buy only local organic meat!

  • 15 years ago

    The facts are in the link I posted.

    Facts:
    -Passes thru animal gut unchanged.
    -Not absorbed by animal
    -Manure must be composted for a year prior to using on sensitive plants
    -Can be used on grasses (eg corn) & more; See the link I posted.

  • 15 years ago

    Jean, this is from the article you linked also: "It has long lasting effects against target weeds when applied at low rates. Clopyralid has low toxicity to humans and animals." I did read the entire article and many more starting back in May trying to figure out what was going on and if it was safe to eat our tomatoes. I have read so many conflicting articles on the safety of vegetables effected by herbicides, animals who consume herbicide tainted feed, the low (or high) toxicity to humans. Conflicting articles on the use of pesticides and whether they have "low toxicity" to animals and humans. Enough to make your head spin. Your last post seemed a little condenscending, but that is the problem with the written word. You may have just meant to be helpful. I have evolved as a gardener over the past 30 years. I would not have hesitated to use a pesticide on our garden that many years ago, now I do not. I would have sprayed weed killer on the lawn and in the beds that many years ago also. I haven't done that in years. I just don't buy that it passes through the gut of the animal unchanged or that it is "low in toxicity to humans".

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