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Tile Layout Help Please

17 years ago

Hi. Am new to this forum--old on ponds forum. I will be tiling the walls and floor of a new basement bathroom. In my research most say to start with one wall and center the tile horizontally and vertically. My problem is perhaps in the tile I bought or the room dimensions or my visualization.

The room is 9 x 6 feet wide. The shower stall goes in the lefthand corner opposite the doorway (east end of room). This is a 36 inch rounded shower (Fleurco Banyo Avilia glass walls with acrylic base). Shower wall butts up against pocket door wall into bedroom behind.

On the north wall starting from shower corner wall measures: 36 inches, 2 inch indent to next area for toilet, 30 inches of wall, 2 inch indent back out (this section of wall is framed with 2 x 2's instead of 2 x 4's design error) 40 3/4 inches to corner. West wall is 40 3/4 inches to door molding. The other wall abutts furnace room and will not be tiled.

The wall tile is 10 x 16 glazed porcelain and matching color 12 x 12 glazed porcelain for floor. As floor is concrete will be Ditra floor. Wish I had researched more before buying the shower unit as would have put in a full kerdi shower & base. Will be doing kerdi on the shower walls.

With the indent on the wall area where the toilet is going if I center the tiles on that wall I'll end up with lots of less than 5 inch pieces for the project. Plan on tiles running bond pattern rather than brick as less cuts long side vertical as will make room look bigger.

My plan was to start from the 40 inch corner--would take 4 tiles to the toilet area, 3 tiles in that area (although I'd have to cut one at least down in width) 3 tiles, then a half tile to shower corner and half tile and 3 tiles to outside edge of east end of the shower. Does this make any sense???

I am also planing on tiling the shower walls to the ceiling. Finished floor to ceiling height in this room will only be 85 inches (which meets Cdn codes for basements). The other walls I plan on tiling to 48 inches including a 3" border--those little square tiles. I was thinking of running the border at the same height around the room and in the shower area having another set of tiles above that followed by another border and the top row of tiles. Due to my ceiling height should I try to have the bottom and top row of tiles the same size or could the bottom row be around 12". The shower pan is 6 inches deep. If my thinking is correct the first grout line should be level on the wall including the shower pan depth.

My nephew will be laying the tiles for me as rates from tiling store were $9.00 a square ft for laying the floor tile and more for the wall tile. All tiled wall areas are hardibacker. Could not use Densishield on the toilet/long wall as cannot have vapor barrier behind it (cdn codes). That wall is an outside wall so has roxul insulation and vapor barrier. Perhaps of interest to some readers saw a beautiful green 6 x 9 tile today at a local store. $55.00 per tile. Way beyond my budget!!! Thanks for suggestions. Patti

Comments (8)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    With the indent on the wall area where the toilet is going if I center the tiles on that wall I'll end up with lots of less than 5 inch pieces for the project.

    First of all this whole "center the wall" thing is way overblown. It's a good place to START looking for your layout, but it's not a "must have" kind of thing. It's what's called a rule of thumb, as is not having any cuts less than 1/2 tile. Both are good rules, but as the saing goes, rules are made to be broken. However, there are also, in most cases, two ways to center the wall. You can either put a grout joint on the center of the wall, or the center of a tile. Either way is centered, and while one may give you an extraordinarily small piece, the other will give you a much more acceptable piece.

    Your best bet in any situation is to stand in the doorway of the room and look at the area and decide what would look good to you from there. Your first reaction won't steer you wrong.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks Bill (I think you are also known as Mongo?) Have seen your work on this forum which is why I posted. Very impressive. Yes if I stand in the room it looks better to me to have just the two half pieces in the corner of the shower. All others will be full tiles on all walls.
    As my post was long would it look better if I had the full tile at the top of the shower walls which would leave a partial at the bottom or center tiles horizontally which would mean bottom and top rows are partial tiles? You will probably say the visual thing again. I'm a very visual person and have redone my pond 4 times because of that!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    First, no, Mongo and I are two different people (good news for Mongo!! LOL) Secondly, I'd split the difference so that both top and bottom could be cut in. That way, if either is a touch out of level, they can be cut in. It's very rare that I'll lay out shower walls for full tiles either top OR bottom, just for that reason. At the very least, if I want to SHOW a full tile, on say, a 12x12, I'll lay it out to cut an inch off, so that I can cut in any slight deviation.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Whoops sorry. I saw your name in lotsa places too also impressive. Thanks for advice. As this is an old house (50 yrs) the ceiling joists aren't completely level so your method would help with that. Can't wait to get started but as can't drywall the ceiling there until the kitchen reno above is done tiling this bathroom will have to wait. I like to have things well planned out for anyone I hire for work. Most of the basement reno I did myself which is why it took 3 years to finish as I pay cash for everything and the few contractors I needed for electrical, plumbing and heating were hard to get. Professional tilers are next to impossible to hire around here as are booked up a year in advance! thanks again for help. Patti

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Patti-- where abouts are you? I know alot of good people all over the country. If you'd feel more comfortable, you can email me your location.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I live in a small town in Central Alberta Canada about 60km north of Red Deer. I actually enjoy doing the work myself its very stress reducing. Didn't like mudding and taping drywall though. With the boom on here the last couple of years most contractors, plumbers and electricians didn't have time for a "small" job like my 1200 sq ft basement.(Not that they didn't have the time they just wanted the big bucks for the big new houses!) Now that the market has dropped so much they have the time but no one has any money to pay contractors for renos so many are doing it themselves. I don't think our economy has been hit as hard as US but workers in the oil patch have been hit pretty hard. They laid off 700 guys at the facility site my son works at and my nephew was laid off from a cabinet making company that didn't have any more orders for custom cabinets. Good thing I'm a disability worker as we don't get laid off.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Bill!

    My long lost brotha from anotha mutha?

    xoxo, Mongo

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Something like that. :-)

    Dan Fogelberg had an album (NOW I'm dating myself!) with a similar name-- Twin Sons of Different Mothers. :-)