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Microwave leakage

15 years ago

I recently bought an internet radio. This is essentially a dedicated microcomputer with sound and a wi-fi bridge. It connects to the web and streams audio. Neat gadget, relatively straightforward.

I put it in the kitchen. And right away I noticed that when I start the microwave oven, the radio soon goes silent. Its display says "buffering" or "connecting."

Hmm, thinks I. IIRC wi-fi and microwave ovens operate in the same frequency ballpark - around 2.5gHz.

The microwave oven is a small Samsung that I purchased new in 1993, so it has some mileage on it. (Hey, so do I. :)

The oven lives about 10-12 feet from the wi-fi radio. The wi-fi access point is quite a bit further away from the radio, through a wall and a floor, so I can see how stray RF from the microwave oven might swamp the AP's output.

The question is, how MUCH stray RF is emenating, and is it enough to be unhealthy? Should I be concerned about the amount of RF leakage from this oven?

I've read that most mass-market microwave oven leakage detectors are so inaccurate as to be worthless. Are they really all junk? I see various gadgets offered online at prices from $2.50 up to $120 (and more).

Some of these are pretty clearly crude devices, probably just an antenna, a diode, and a microammeter, maybe not even any kind of tuned circuit to limit sensed frequencies to the 2.5gHz band. Others require power, usually a 9v battery, so presumably they have some gain. (Or not.) Some have digital readouts (no guarantee of accuracy, I know).

Can anybody recommend a leakage tester which won't cost over, say, $50, but might give a ballpark go / no go answer?

I know, these days it's cheaper to buy a new $35 microwave oven than to pay $50 to test this one, but I'm not one to junk appliances unless they're really hopeless. Besides, I've read that some of the new ovens are leaky right from the factory.

Thanks for any thoughts you might have.

Comments (7)

  • 15 years ago

    You are close enough to the operating frequency of your WiFi appliance to see interference, but there is simply no way to tell whether it is a matter of a within-limits, expected, interference issue, or a defective device that has a serious problem. Every source of microwaves will emanate some energy outside the primary beam of the antenna and wave guide. These "side lobes" can and will be detected around a microwave tube, but at much lower power than the primary feed to the waveguide.

    Your problem could be leaking around the door, an inadequately designed WiFi receiver in your network appliance, an excessive voltage drop on the AC power line associated with the energized microwave, or absolutely nothing at all other than normal radiation from a perfectly operating device. Keep in mind that microwaves do not and cannot completely stop all radiation in the primary 2.45 gH range. If your radio is a little too sensitive or your microwave a little too loose about what it lets out, either could result in the "dead air" you hear when you are heating up your potato.

    One good test you could do is if somebody in your family has a newer microwave at home, offer them some beers to have them bring it over to your house. Plug IT in and see if you have the same symptoms. If so, don't worry about it. If not, and the radio still works, then order a new microwave and send ol' faithful to the recyclers.

  • 15 years ago

    You always offer practical, insightful advice mojavean -- I look forward to your posts.

  • 15 years ago

    That is very kind of you to say, Bishop8. Thank you very much! :^)

  • 15 years ago

    It would not take very much energy from the microwave to drown out a signal from the AP due to it's effective distance from your radio. A watt or two might do it.

    Cell phones used to be 3 watt devices (the first bricks) since the cell towers were so far apart. Now they're more like 100mw.

  • 15 years ago

    I have a 2.4 GHS cordless phone with the base unit mounted on the wall about a foot away from my microwave. If the phone is in use, and the microwave is on, noise is heard in the phone. This noise can be heard even if the cordless handset is taken into other rooms in the house. I always thought that because they are so close together that the phone and mirco. probably share the same AC circuit. Should I be worried about leakage?

  • 15 years ago

    I'm not sure about your handset or m/w but it used to be that most cordless phone manufacturers had a little blurb in there manuals about putting the main station too close to a m/w. I think some of the m/w instructions mentioned the same thing

  • 15 years ago

    Good thoughts here. Thanks! I wouldn't have thought to borrow a newer microwave oven.