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URGENT bathroom tile setting issues-help please!

16 years ago

Hello, I have some urgent questions regarding the quality of the tiling that is being done in the bathroom we are having remodeled. The questions are urgent because we have already called the contractor, who did the tiling himself today, and he is insisting that there are no issues and that "once everything is grouted, it will look fine."

ItÂs hard to tell from the photos, but the distance between the tiles (where the grout will go) varies from 1/16th to 3/16th of an inch. Some of the tiles are slightly offset from each other instead of meeting squarely.

When we saw the initial tiling today, we immediately called the contractor. He said that he used a level and that all the tiles are level, and that the reason for the discrepancy in the grout lines is because the tiles vary in size. He specifically said that the bullnose tiles are imperfect  their angles not exactly 90 degrees. He said we could call the tile store we bought the tiles from to verify that this is typical. He also said that he couldnÂt use small grout lines because he has to be sure there is enough room for him to push in the grout (we will be using a stain-resistant grout so IÂm assuming itÂs an epoxy grout, but IÂm not positive).

To us, it looks like he didnÂt use enough spacers. Some of the tiles look slightly tilted. My husband and I both feel that there should not be so much variation in the size of the grout lines. If our contractor is concerned that he wonÂt be able to push the grout into 1/16th of an inch grout lines, none of the tiles should have been laid with 1/16 spaces.We believe the grout lines should all consistently be the same width (say, 1/8th inch) and not have the amount of variation they have now.

Our contractor came highly recommended, and we think he is genuinely interested in doing quality work. He was quite upset when we called him with our concerns.

Thank you in advance for any comments, suggestions, or opinions!









Comments (12)

  • 16 years ago

    The only pic you've shown that I have an issue with is the last one. In the pics of the bullnose, look at the vertical joints behind the bullnose. They SEEM to be perfectly uniform. What you're seeing end to end is bullnose that's not square, and your installer's done a good job keeping it straight. This is NOT uncommon with bullnose pieces.

    As for the last pic, I have a feeling that if you were to back up and show me the tiles and joints surrounding that one intersection of four tiles, there may or may not be a good reason for it being off joint like that. I'd have to see a wider picture to make the call. But after the first pics, and your description of what's going on, it sounds like your installer's trying to make the best of some "less than good quality" tile.

  • 16 years ago

    Bill_vincent, thanks so much for your response. Our contractor said exactly what you said: that it's not uncommon for bullnose to not be square. Thanks for confirming that.

    Regarding the last picture, I tried taking photos from farther away, but the tile casts too many shadows in the more distant pictures. The only reason that intersection is off joint is because the contractor laid one entire horizontal line of tile slightly off.The entire line is about 1/16th- 1/8th inch to the left of the lines above and below it. Maybe this variance is acceptable--it looks funky to my husband and I but perhaps we are too particular.

  • 16 years ago

    I'd recommend using a straightedge to span the bullnose edges of those two bullnose tiles.

    See how the reveal is between the bullnose and the straightedge. If it's even the ends are not square. If it's a "V" gap then the installer isn't square.

    Mongo

  • 16 years ago

    Mongo,thanks for the advice. It looks like there is no gap on most of the bullnose (with the possible exception of the bottom two on one side--difficult to assess because they're so low to the ground and the gap may be from the thinset that oozed out from behind it, not because of how the tile is set).

    When I use the straightedge against the 12 x 12 tile in the shower, though, there is a gap. I am not sure what is an "acceptable" gap--maybe, like my contractor says, we will not notice it once it's grouted.

  • 16 years ago

    FYI, we just called the tile supplier. They said the bullnose tile should not be that much off square, and they want us to bring in the off-square tile so they can contact the manufacturer (Florida Tile).

    They also said that with the color grout we're using (light chocolate), the unevenness of the grout lines will be highlighted.

    We are waiting for our contractor to arrive.

  • 16 years ago

    We thought it was going to be wonderful to have a contractor who could set the tile himself. Now we feel that we would have gotten a better result if he'd hired a tile setter. You know the old saying about a jack of all trades.

  • 16 years ago

    they want us to bring in the off-square tile so they can contact the manufacturer (Florida Tile).

    That's all you needed to say. Of all the tile manufacturers in the world, that's one of two that I'll avoid like the plague (the other is Marrazzi). Florida Tile sucks, and so does their customer service. I've yet to do a single job with their tile in the last 12-15 years where it hasn't been a fight to keep it straight. I had one project in particular where tiles in the same box were as much as 1/4" off in size, and then I was told by the showroom to "deal with it". Never again will I buy Florida Tile, and any customer of mine who wants to supply their own tile and buy this garbage, I'll do everything I can to change their minds.

  • 16 years ago

    I'll mirror Bill's comments. It's funny how we've had the same experiences with the same two lines of tile. Florida seems consistently off, Marrazzi seems more like hit and miss.

    suellen, the only other thing I would have done is that if these are all set square and I set a tile that resulted in a pinched grout line like that, first I would have tossed the tile aside and selected another.

    If I had to use the tile, then I would have considered squaring the end of the bullnose prior to installing it. A quick sliver cut off on the wetsaw and all is well.

    Being able to successfully cut off slivers can sometimes depend on the glaze on the tile, but I wouldn't be happy with those lines on your bullnose.

    I know it's been mentioned, but moving away from the chocolate grout color and going with a grout color that better matches the tile color will help mask any deficiencies in the grout lines.

  • 16 years ago

    We talked to our contractor yesterday and everything has been worked out to our satisfaction. Regarding the bullnose, he agreed to pull off two of the worst and replace them with tiles that are more square.

    Regarding the uneven 12 x 12s, he explained that our wall is not the same size all the way up (our house was built in 1970) and he said he purposely jogged the tile ever so slightly so there wouldn't be a big gap at the top. He said if we were worried about the grout lines not looking straight because of this, he wound use a diamond edge against the tiles to remove a bit of the edge and help the grout lines look straight.

    We looked at the way he set the 12 x 12s, and he did indeed jog out each line very slightly--there was nothing haphazard about it at all.

    All's well that ends well, except that we chose a terra cotta-look tile that has a fairly high degree of variability between the tiles, and he set 3 of the darker ones too close together, so that they really stood out on the shower wall that you see as you walk in the door. So today, my husband asked him to take off 2 of the tiles and replace them with different tiles ( DH has a more flexible schedule since he's self-employed so I got out of the task of telling the contractor something he probably wasn't happy to hear).

    The result is absolutely gorgeous. Now that you guys (mongo and bill vincent) have informed me that Florida tile is notorious for being out of square, I probably won't use it in future projects, but this tile is just stunning. I'm VERY happy with the look. We are sticking with the light chocolate grout and I will post pictures after it's grouted.

    Thanks for all the incredibly helpful input.

  • 16 years ago

    Hi Sabrina,

    I'm sorry you had issues with our bullnose tile, the pictures do look like the ends were not square. It looks like you used our Fontana series, if you saved any of the cartons and want to send me the shade info from the label, I can check out remaining inventory here and cull out any that look like that so future customers won't have the same issue. We'd hate to lose you as a customer, so please accept my apologies for your issue.

    Dan Marvin
    Florida Tile Director of Quality

  • 16 years ago

    Maybe you ought to teach your distributors to deal with their contractors in the same manner.

  • 16 years ago

    I won't even go into the quality control side of it.