Did this very knowledgeable appliance guy even mention Bosch? If not, do they sell Bosch? If they do sell Bosch, then he's either not that knowledgeable or has another agenda. If they don't sell Bosch, then find another appliance store that does sell Bosch and take a look. Bosch is similar to Miele but priced competitively in the KA range.

Whatever you buy you will, doubtless, expect it to last 10 years or so. If you're like many, you'll be using it every day. You'll be disappointed with it every day or pleased with it every day for the duration. If you've got the bucks, I'd advise getting what you really want even if it costs a little more. If you don't have the budget for it, that's OK too. There are many good, quiet machines that will handle the chore just fine. Everyone's situation is a little different.

I have the same opinion about kitchen faucets, stoves, and laundry machines....but that's just me.

Dolode--Personally, I could not justify the cost. I worried over our dishwasher selection (we have two) & due to our builder not giving enough notice, ended up having to go with what they had in stock right then at Lowe's. We wanted them to be quiet, had to have a hard food disposer (to pretty much guaratee no need to pre-rinse), quick wash setting, & heated dry and our desired price range was $600-$700. I had looked at Electrolux, Samsung, GE & KitchenAid. The guy at Sears said he has had numerous complaints/returns on the Electrolux not cleaning well (also saw this on many online reviews too), but it is super quiet. The Samsung was super quiet, but only had fan assist drying & relied on the heat in the cavity from the wash cycle to help with the drying. I didn't get good reviews on GE anywhere I went as far as reliability & longevity. The KitchenAid is always a favorite of mine as I've always had good experience with them & they met all my criteria except for price (for the model I was looking at to get the noise/decibel level as low as possible it was going to run close to $1000 each.) In the end we were left with choosing between the 49 decibel Samsung & a lower end KitchenAid than what I had been looking at (higher decibel level of 52 & fewer cycles--but it still had the quick wash). We went with the lower end KitchenAid with the understanding that if they were too loud we could exchange them for the quieter Samsung. I couldn't be happier with those KA dishwashers! They perform great--keep in mind my 17 year old son is the one loading the dishes. Everything comes out sparkling--even casserole dishes with stuck on cheese. I really worried about the noise, but they are nice & quiet & I ended up saving a bundle compared to the KA /I had originally selected--we got them on sale for $650 each.

I think you'll find just as many people swear by their KAs as much as those that swear by their Mieles. It comes down to whether or not you're willing to pay the upcharge for the Miele. Before you buy that Electrolux the salesman is steering you toward, I'd check the reviews on it. Remember that alot of times the sales people are incentivized to sell certain lines and/or models more than others. So I always default back to customer reviews on multiple store sites. Hope this helps! My vote is on the KA.

If the Miele racking layout meets your lifestyle needs:

Buy the best

Buy it once.

Miele

Some GW'rs have stated that the KA's with the vent on the side of the door has warped/discolored the adjacent cabinets. For this reason we are considering Bosch. Any K A owners with side vent care to weigh in?

For some reason, I often have trouble justifying the cost of something that I'll use constantly, yet I'll easily splurge on a weekend at a nice hotel or a few really nice dinners. Not logical, I know.

I'm not sure how much the Miele is, but say it's $1000. Then think of all the things you'd spend $1000 on that you wouldn't get *nearly* as much joy/use out of, that won't last *nearly* as long as your DW.

I say go for it and enjoy :-)

Most of my appliances are middle of the road, Kenmore and LG, purchased on sale. My splurge was my Miele dishwasher. Even getting one of the lower priced models, it was still more expensive than my range and microwave put together. I don't regret it for a second. It replaced an 8 year old piece of garbage dishwasher that I hated. Every time I pulled out dishes that needed to be rewashed, I vowed that I wouldn't deal with that again.

I checked out both Bosch and Miele, but my dishes didn't fit well in the Bosch. To me the Miele was well worth the money.

Miele is the best, period.

Runner ups would be Asko and Bosch. I would say buy the Miele, but if your budget is tight, I would go with jscouts advise. I think Bosch is the better value compared to Asko. Personally I wouldn't consider a KA unless you feel you need the heated drying element and or the food grinder.

I'm the one with the original KA vent issue...it did warp the cabinet directly to it's left with the vent. It has since gone back to normal after no moisture hitting it. We replaced the KA KUDE60FXSS with a Bosch and we love the Bosch. It holds just as much as the KA (the tines are closer together). Just be sure to bring a few dishes to the store to make sure they fit in the tighter tine arrangement.

Below is the link to my original issues...there are others as well...just search under my user name FIVEFOOTZERO if you want to read more.

Here is a link that might be useful: KA Vent issues...

The last Kitchen Aid I bought worked properly for just 5 years. For the next 5 years it needed to be repaired several times then it finally needed to be junked. During this time, I found out it had the same internal parts as contractor grade Whirlpool machines. Whirlpool builds them and slaps a KA label on them. The Hobart built KAs are just a memory now.

Faced with spending money, yet again on a dishwasher I didn't want to go through this again. This is why I bought a Miele. About the time I bought the KA 10 years ago, I also bought a Miele washer to replace a disastrous Magtag Neptune washer that had lasted less than 4 years. In the decade since that time, the Miele has washed clothes without any issues at all. I cringed at the cost of this machine back then, but now I am glad I did.

Get the Miele. You will be very glad you did.

I replaced a 10 year old KA with a Miele Optima and love it. It had a little learning curve for loading, dosing, etc but it does a superb job and does it so quietly.

My husband would have to turn the tv way up when the KA was running now he is happy :)

My mom's entry level Kenmore (made by Whirlpool as well I believe) always worked so much better than my TOL KA. What a burn.

I don't think you could regret the Miele?

My KA is great BUT:

- repair service quality has been so-so. One repairman wired a replacement soap dispenser incorrectly and it took two more visits before a different guy discovered the error.

- my dishes are odd-sized and I use a lot of extremely large cookware. Loved the Miele feel of quality but couldn't get my things loaded in without wasting a lot of space. I understand the new Mieles have a more flexible tine system which solves this issue.

- I have an extended warranty on the KA and it's been worth every penny. They are not as trouble-free as the Mieles so I figure when it goes, then I'll look into the Miele.

- I'm on the road so don't have access to the model KUD# of my machine. But I run my DW about 8-10x/week. Our cabs are frameless Kraftmaid, laminate veneers with wood trimmed doors over particleboard. There has been NO damage to our cabs or cab doors.

Reno kitchen May 2006. KA dishwasher model KUDP02CRBS1 over $800. We bought on the KA reputation, but have been very disappointed. Yeah it works great at cleaning, extremely quiet - when it works. Two years old (2008) door hinge broke on right side. Cost $160 to fix. Soon after left hinge broke. Online research found site describing this common problem and how to fix(obvious design defect)so we were able to buy part ourselves and fix (tho not that easy). Three months past the 5 yr install date (Oct '11), became very noisy. Again looked online at helpful videos, checked to see if we could see problem with impeller or other, but couldn't find anything. Motor has been increasing in noise and variation in noise (to the point of greatly increasing volume on TV to hear) so we're pretty certain the motor/pump needs replacing, though still cleaning OK. Part's about $115 online, but hard to justify dumping more money into this Whirlpool fiasco. Thinking Samsung replacement tho haven't researched enough.

My mom bought a new midrange KA to replace her 20 year old Maytag and she's been less than thrilled. It only does a decent job of cleaning and it's pretty loud.

A dishwasher is something you use every day, sometimes multiple times--and pulling out dirty dishes from a just run dishwasher is frustrating. Who needs that on a daily basis? I don't like to fight with my appliances. I want them to do what they are supposed to with a minimum of fussing on my part. I bought a Miele Inspira (second model from the bottom) and I'm very pleased with the performance. It works superbly--and though it was lower end model, it's very quiet. I couldn't be happier. I got lucky and found mine on clearance, which cinched the deal--but knowing what I know now, it would have been worth full price. (and I very rarely say that!)
Cj

We bought the TOP of the line Whirlpool a few years back, thinking at the time -- heck, it's just a dishwasher and that it would be "fine". Well, it wasn't fine and we've hated it everyday since. I didn't ask, and I should never have assumed that it would also dry the dishes. It has not dried a dish in it's entire life, even after multiple "repairs". We hate that the flatware is always wet, it just doesn't seem clean. (we do use a rinse agent and are loading correctly)

The dishwasher gets used a lot more here than any other appliance expect perhaps the refrigerator. For that reason we bought a Miele to replace the Whirlpool for our remodel and I can barely wait to get it installed.

Go with the best, Miele, or at least inquire if the model you do choose will DRY as well as wash the dishes.

Re my post above, Thu, Nov 10, 11 at 13:48

>> I'm on the road so don't have access to the model KUD# of my machine. But I run my DW about 8-10x/week. Our cabs are frameless Kraftmaid, laminate veneers with wood trimmed doors over particleboard. There has been NO damage to our cabs or cab doors.>>

Our KA model is the KUDS30IVSS, installed in early 2009.

Thanks to all for your input. We ordered our appliances today and did decide to go with the Miele, model G5775SCSF. It was more than I wanted to spend, but I think in the long run it will be worth it!

The appliance I am really excited about is our Bluestar 36" range. We got the one with the french doors inspired by Marcus Samuelsson. It's gorgeous.

Hope you're thrilled with the performance!

And, that's one absolutely gorgeous range, too. You're going to have fun dirtying lots and lots of dishes!!

Enjoy everything,
Cj

Do you mind if I ask how much the Marcus range cost and what configuration you got?

Jasperdog...we bought all our appliances together and our appliance guy was able to discount some manufacturers but not others. For example, Miele and Bluestar don't discount much or at all so he gave us the Sharp Microwave Drawer for $1. And we got a deep discount on our frig.

So we paid almost full price for the range...$6,800. We got the six burner configuration. Bluestar was running a promotion today at the store so we also got their six piece cookware ($500 value) for free with the purchase of the range.

Take a deep breath -- and get the Miele. You won't regret it. Mine is 9 years old and I still love it.

You will have to post pix when you get everything in place!

I'm dying to see that range in a home kitchen. Please don't forget to post it. Pretty please!

Get the miele. It washes more dishes, more thoroughly with less soap- everytime. It dries better than all. We had one in a past home and we're buying a new one in a few months for a new home. There are no other dishwashers out there.

How is your project progressing? Still anxiously waiting for pix of Marcus.

I'm butting in here. Which Miele do you guys recommend?

any miele.

open a new thread when you have another question, which will be more detailed.

Jasperdog...we got a bit delayed because of another job my contractor was finishing. We start demolition in 10 days. Promise to post pics of the Marcus as soon as I can.