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Do I need to replace this subfloor? *Please Help!*

18 years ago

My bathroom redo began today and I am faced with an important decision I do not feel equipped to make.

It is being remodeled because a slow water leakage has been occuring since '95 and it has badly damaged the floor. Today the room was gutted and my contractor pulled up the damaged plywood and found the subfloor is covered by a layer of linoleum which probably dates to 1965. He thinks the linoleum protected the subfloor from water damage and since it does not feel soft underfoot he thinks it can remain if the surface is smoothed out. If I want to replace the subfloor he will do it for an additional charge. However he doesn't think it is worth the effort.

My instincts are to start brand new and get rid of the old, crummy, dirty subfloor but I have absolutely no idea what is the standard for a subfloor and would hate to waste money and time on something that will not be seen anyway. Also the floor is not level but he thinks that can be repaired enough to be sufficient for the tile.

Since I am alone in this house I would *VERY MUCH* appreciate an informed opinion and hope these pictures will reveal enough. I need to let him know tomorrow.

Here is a link that might be useful: subfloor

Comments (10)

  • 18 years ago

    The water COULD have gotten past the linoleum even tho it doesn't feel soft in some areas. If you want the whole subfloor replaced, I can't see that it would be a big expense in a bathroom. With the subfloor gone, the joists could be shimmed to make the floor level.

    Another thing that can be done to level the floor, after the new subfloor is put down, is use a self-leveling compound. It is actually a cement that is floated onto the floor. It flows to the low areas, leveling the floor. That would make a great surface for any kind of tile, even ceramic. Hope this helps with some questions.

  • 18 years ago

    Absolutely! Never apply tile over a sub-floor that has linoleum. Tear up the lino. Figure out what is under it. If sturdy 3/4" ply, you can just add 1/2" cement board or Hardibacker then the tile. If the existing sub is only 1/2", add 3/4" more. A good membrane, such as Ditra, would be the way to go.

  • 18 years ago

    Thank you so much for your input. I was really at a loss. I'm a single woman and out of my comfort zone here. It is good to get input and support. My contractor really does not want to replace a floor he feels is solid but now I can contribute your suggestions which I'm sure he will appreciate too. Today he went into the crawl space and discovered that the joists are sagging so he has suggested bolstering them at the same time he replaces the floor.

  • 18 years ago

    An excellent idea. What you are looking for is the deflection of the floor. If your contractor knows how to tile, he/she will understand deflection, and will therefore provide you with a tile job that will not ultimately fail. Good luck!

  • 18 years ago

    Thank you for the explanation, deets. I will encourage my GC to pursue this task and drop the word *deflection* to impress and keep him on his toes!

  • 18 years ago

    Shirley, :).... has your contractor mentioned the very high possibility there could be asbestos in that '65 lino? Don't allow anyone to start cutting on it yet.

  • 18 years ago

    Jerry, that was my initial concern when I first saw the linoleum because I remember the issue arising when I was replacing my kitchen floors and few companies were willing (or able) to take them up because of the old linoleum. I eventually put wood floors on top of it.

    My contractor did not seem concerned at my suggestion that asbestos might be present. He deflected my comment by saying "There is asbestos in the insulation" and I didn't pursue it.

    The portion that has the linoleum is approximately 5' x 7'. Oh boy, this opens a real can of worms. I was planning on tile with radiant heat. Do you have any suggestions as to how I should proceed with this?

  • 18 years ago

    My contractor was going to bring up these floors today. I think we will have to have a little tete a tete! Thanks for picking up on it, jerry, and don't call me shirley. ;-)

  • 18 years ago

    I am not the asbestos ranger Shirley :), but this is dangerous stuff and you have to assume it does contain asbestos. OSHA has regulations on how to deal with it and each state has their own rules on who is able to remove it.

    My state lets me remove it by working solo and following all the OSHA rules for removal and disposal.

    You could just leave it and cover over it with 1/2" BC plywood to encapsulate it. That is assuming the existing subfloor is not rotted out. Then use Ditra over the new underlayment.

  • 18 years ago

    jerry, hank you! I decided not to remove it. Instead we will do as you suggest and cover over it with plywood & Ditra. GC is confident the subfloor is solid. Surely we can control it... And I'm serious, don't call me Shirley! ;-)