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Help with ugly ceiling!

15 years ago

Our house was built around 1980, and we're trying to correct that fact (can you imagine someday people will be restoring kitchens to that '1980's look'?)

I made new cabinet doors, put in new counter tops, and tile backsplashes. So far, so good. For some reason, houses of this era had a lowered kitchen ceiling, with an ugly florescent fixture built in. What can I do with it??? I could raise the ceiling up to match the rest of the house, but that's just too big a job. The inside of the light box is textured to match the ceilings and walls, so I could remove the grid and crackle finish plastic panels.

My thought is to make a frame around the opening with several moldings, creating a hidden lip inside. I was going to add rope lights inside the lip for low-level ambient lighting, and come up with some sort of fixtures for when more light is needed. Any ideas? Hanging fixtures? Flush with the top of the lighting box? I'm afraid if I put in recessed cans, they won't light the whole kitchen.

As an aside, we are fixing this house up to SELL, since we are moving from the area eventually. Whatever I do has to be somewhat neutral, and cheap. I do my own work, so cheap isn't an issue. The opening is about 4' X 6' or 2/3 of the kitchen ceiling. Here's a pic to show what I'm dealing with.

Comments (18)

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Maybe do a raised ceiling?

    Here is a link that might be useful:

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Good idea pinch me! That would give the option of track lighting or even 2 flush mounts. I also think it would add airiness and space to the kitchen making it seem larger.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    That's basically what I had in mind. I never thought of it, but I could add chamfers to the corners to make a rectangular octagon, rather than a plain box. Tapering the sides in slightly would make it more like a design feature rather than 'Look how we tried to obscure the old design'.

    I wonder what the thinking was behind dropping the ceiling in the kitchen (and the bathrooms). Take the hottest, most humid rooms in the house, and don't give the air anywhere to go!

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Also paint it with flat paint. :)

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    WOW you built those cute cabinet doors!! Amazing talent.

    It is hard work but if you can tear down the ceiling
    and raise it you will be so thrilled. You can
    put in some beautiful lighting. Even above cab lights
    that shine to the ceiling to stretch the space.

    It is hard work but can definitely be done and paint
    it a fun color to bring excitement into your space.
    The ceiling is the 5th wall.
    ~bp

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    If you are selling, you may just want to paint the dark trim white and call it a day.
    Turning it into a tray ceiling in the middle would actually be more interesting to me than raising the entire ceiling. It would probably be easier for you too. I like your idea of rope lighting for ambiance.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    This one is smaller, but after removing the grid and trim we added a flexible track light from Ikea. We just need a little joint compound and paint to fix it up.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Photo for above post

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    They may have done the lower ceiling instead of fur down just over the cabinets. That type of construction was common at the time. Now the cabinets are either open above or use taller cabinets to the ceiling.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I saw something similar on HGTV Design to Sell, I think. Anyway, they took out the old fixture, fixed any holes and repainted, then mounted a new light fixture.

    It was similar to Steff's picture but a bigger box, like yours, and a simple light fixture. They tied in a similar light, over the sink and kitchen table...it looked really nice :)

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I agree the trey idea would be great.
    ~boxer

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I definitely like the thought of a raised ceiling where the current light is. Willow Decor put beadboard on the raised part of her ceiling and it turned out very pretty.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Willow Decor / Kitchen Reno

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Beadboard would work well with my beadboard cabs. I'm starting to feel better about this!

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Steff 1

    Thanks for posting that. We're about to buy a small condo with a very similar kitchen and it has the same ceiling. Your post was an inspiration!

    Robin

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    You might want to use the beadboard wallpaper up there. Worth a consideration, although the panels shouldn't be too hard to handle in that space.

    My mind's eye thinks putting an eyecatching finish on there will make the ceiling seem lower....???

    This is how I did mine

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Here is a link of a builder with several examples of tray ceilings. You may be able to find inspiration in them.

    Here is a link that might be useful: builder site with tray ceiling examples

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I agree-take out the box and have a tray but make sure your lights hand down far enough that the tray doesn't shadow your counter tops. If your did some time of center light and added a cove type trim on the upper edge with rope lights it would look awsome.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Another vote for the tray and some sort of drop down lights or lights. Something that will clear the bottom of the recess, but not interefere with the fridge door or cabinet doors, or a tall person's head. Trim out the box with molding so that it looks intentional and not an afterthought. Maybe even use beadboard in the recessed area to mimic the beadboard cabinets.

    Now I'm not saying get these, but this style of semi-flush or pendant that looks good on a shortish chain:

    I've sold 3 houses in the past 7 years and none of my houses lingered on the market. Some free advice is to PAINT. People on this board are fixated on kitchen details, so they notice the awesome cabinets, fixtures, countertops and backsplash, but your average Joe Homebuyer will just see a stark white kitchen and oldish appliances.

    As Palimpsest said, go dead flat on the ceiling. Benjamin Moore makes one of the best dead flat ceiling paints. Go with a color about 50% lighter than your walls. The walls should be a neutral. I have found that golden-toned neutrals are great, stick with natural earth toned colors, especially in the main areas (hallways, family room, living room). You can google "paint colors that sell" for ones realtors and stagers use. Be sure it works with your lighting. If you're planning a statement color like blue or green, that's fine, just make sure it relates to the other rooms. Red is not recommended as a wall color. People have strong opinions about red, love it or hate it. A red hater will just think the trouble to paint over it is not worth the time or money and pass your house by.

    Stage your house. I've done this for all my houses and it works. People have a hard time visualizing their stuff in an empty space, but if your "stuff" overpowers the house, they'll remember that too and look elsewhere. It doesn't have to be expensive. EDIT your stuff, pack away everything especially personalized items like pictures, everything except the necessities. Use your own furniture, artwork and accessories or borrow from family/friends. It's only temporary! Buy only if you have to and consider craigslist before buying new. Use plants, they give the place "life". In the 1st and 2nd houses we sold, we had to use fake as it was on the market while we were living out of town for one, out of state for the other. For the 3rd, we were living 40 minutes away. I used live plants with those as seen on TV aquaglobes. I've drive over once a week to refill. A great book I recommend you read is Ready, Set, Sold! by Michael Corbett. It's a few years old, but the local library or 1/2 Price Books might have it. He has great simple tips for staging and where to spend your money & where to save.

    Here's some images from my 2 most recent houses. For some reason I can't find the 1st houses images on my computer.

    Brentwood, CA on market 5/2006 sold 11/2006 (beginning of downturn in CA market, had a buyer fall through)






    Flower Mound, TX on market 7/2009 sold 8/2009



    Good luck with your house!
    Kathe