system B has r-410 which is the same as puron.

What part of the country are you in? How much is electricity? If your getting a nice brand new system you may be able to upgrade your A/C to a heatpump to have dual fuel for just a little more money.

Thanks for the reply neo!

We are in Eastern PA. With deregulation in PA, we were told a heat pump isn't worth it as PECO was doing away with the reduced electricity. All three installers we had out didn't recommend a heat pump because of this even though we asked about it specifically as a friend had one installed a few years ago.

LOL @ R-410 and Puron being the same thing. One made such a big deal about Puron that it sounded very important!

Understandable. Not everybody gets discounted electricity anymore. Heatpumps are still nice for the cooler weather (above freezing). If you have a nice contractor getting a heatpump upgrade over just the straight AC doesn't cost much extra.

Gotcha, yeah, we asked all three and none of the three recommended it. They said they were phasing them out and haven't installed them in the past few years as they knew deregulation was coming.

Do you have any thoughts on either of those two systems?

missjflow

the York modulating furnace with Var speed blower.

what size was quoted?

what size are you replacing?

forget the heat pump because of your electric rates.

what size condenser were you quoted? and mdl of evap coil?

IMO

tigerdunes.. thanks for replying.

the York modulating furnace with Var speed blower.
what size was quoted?

80,000 btu

what size are you replacing?

I believe its replacing a 125,000 or 100,000 BTU (can't remember off the top of my head) but he said that was too big for the house. He said it would heat up the first floor too fast and never get to the second floor. I did tell him that our second floor is usually 5+ degrees different from the first floor (always in the wrong direction!)

forget the heat pump because of your electric rates.

That's what I thought.

what size condenser were you quoted? and mdl of evap coil?

Condenser is the A/C? the York is a 3 ton with 36,000 BTU's with 4 ton apsen case coil and the Carrier is a 3.5 ton (can't recall the btu's or the size coil.. I don't have the sheet in front of me and I don't recall a number)

Hope this helps! Thanks!

missjflo

you will need the right thermostat with this furnace. very important to get the true modulating function. not certain you are being quoted the correct mdl.

I would add a good 4-5" pleated media filter cabinet.

ask York dealer for the matching AHRI number to make certain all components are a certified match.

I am not a fan of third party coils. ask dealer why not a york coil?

dealer should make an evaluation and recommendation for improvement to temp differences between floors both for heating and cooling. damper control may help along with another return for second floor.

post back.

IMO
Good Luck!

Wow, so much to think about!

They did mention a 4-5" filter, I believe honeywell, that would only need to be changed once a year.

The thermostat was a honeywell visonpro 8000 for the york. I thought he had mentioned that the furnace controls the modulation and not the thermostat? That it was a closed system, etc etc.. but, I could be wrong as it was information overload for me!

He had mentioned keeping the fan going in the hot summer / cold winter to keep the pressure up in the house, which would keep the temperature more regulated between the floors. Plus the modulating furnace would keep the temperature from fluctuating greatly.

I'll have to ask about the coil. It just says aspen cased coil, which I'm guessing is the brand.

I like the York. NOt that Carrier isn't good. The price is a bit better with the York. They make good stuff. That modulating furnace should keep things very comfortable.

Great thanks neohioheatpump. The York seemed like a better system. The Carrier system seemed like the middle of the road carrier while the York seemed like a higher end York. The modulating system seems, in theory, like it should be extremely efficient. Plus, since it qualified for more credits / rebates than the Carrier, I was assuming that the York was more efficient.

I didn't read anything terrible about either brand other than the normal... mine stopped working after xxx.. complains that you'll always have. With no heat at our house, it looks like I'll have to go with York.

York and their sister brands make good stuff. My neighbor has a luxaire 2-stage 95% furnace (much like York).
He's never had a problem. I've been over there and it runs oh-so quietly when the heat kicks on. You probably won't even notice with the modulating furnace.

missjflow

refer back to my suggestions.

you want a thermostat that allows full modulation of furnace up or down on the fly "so to speak".

Have dealer provide an AHRI Directory number that certifies all components are a match.

I would add a 4-5" pleated filter media cabinet.

ask dealer why not a York coil? and what is warranty for Aspen coil and matching York coil?

dealer should make an evaluation and recommendation for improvement to temp differences between floors both for heating and cooling. damper control for supply between floors may help along with another return for second floor.

IMO

Run the fan all the time because it keeps up the pressure in the house?

I challenge anyone to make sense of that. Running fans all the time may help regulate temperature differences around the house in a poorly designed system. But that takes electricity and that isn't cheap. That raises humidity in the summer and that lowers comfort. If you have any ducts in unconditioned or semiconditioned space than it wastes even more energy.

Also - say electricity gets reregulated and NG goes up. Then that $400 you spent on the heat pump would be very wise indeed. Anyone who knows with 100% certainty what is going to happen 5 years from now wil be a very wealthy person....

Imagine oil at $300 a barrel, NG will follow in some way. Electricity is made in a variety of ways and is not easily used as a transport fuel. It is easy to imagine NG at 3x its current cost during the lifetime of your units.

BTW - what is your electric rate? Because even at $.20, a heat pump is still sometimes cheaper.