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1840s / 1970s Time Capsule

13 years ago

These pictures are from Prudential Fox Roach. The house is nearby, circa 1840s probably, and also probably nearly untouched when the current owners bought it in the 1970s. The kitchen has been moved up from the basement into the back wing.

For this neighborhood, this is pretty much the real deal. These houses were not overly fancy, they were probably always a bit under-furnished by modern standards, and people lived in them for decades at a time and didn't touch anything. (The interior of my pocket shutters had one layer of paint in about 170 years).

In the seventies, people bought them relatively inexpensively, didn't over furnish them, tread fairly lightly on most of the rooms --and didn't touch anything for decades at a time.

Essentially this house looked just about like this as built, just with no bathrooms and an older kitchen, and with period furniture. (Its neighbor still has a kitchen basement.) They added lighting and radiator heat.
Some of the fixtures appear to have been updated since the 70s.

This is an area-typical 1/3 width-2/3 width bedroom division for an upper floor:

Low ceiling and no moulding typical of the very top. Simple modern closets added.

Kitchen
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Eating area at back
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I might leave this bath completely be. I wish they still made 4 foot square cast iron tubs.

Although the execution is very 1970s and I don't like the shower dressing room complex all that much, they tread Very Lightly on the house and didn't really touch the shell of the room too much. I could see reworking this in a less 1970s way but essentially doing the same.


Unfortunately there is still a tendency to partially gut the remaining houses like this and perforate them with lots of recessed lighting and outfit them with the super-orgasmatron master suite and cook's-kitchen.

Comments (16)

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    We have many homes like that in the Boston area and they maintain 90% of the integrity but for the plumbing and heating. I love the open large feeling of the rooms and yet they're private to a point. Will you be living in this one? If so, I can just picture your decor. LOL to the Woody Allen line on the boxy whatever that was.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    No, unfortunately this is way out of my budget and capability to maintain square footage. I would love one of these though.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    This house is very reminiscent of my friend's house in Society Hill. The entry and living room are identical. She has a staircase with very low clearance at one point. There is a sign that says "Watch your head. The colonists were short."

    I would love to live there.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Very pretty and finally, a house with a sufficient number of fireplaces. :)

    How many servants would they have had, do you think? What kind of servants?

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    As I understand it, since it is on a Number street and not a Name street, these houses belonged to successful business people, but not people of the same means as the Number streets.

    The houses are slightly smaller and plainer. They had servants, I am sure who probably mostly lived in the much smaller houses interspersed in the alleys and courts, and not all in the house.

    We looked at a yet-smaller house that had head-banging stairwells and a couple of upper floor doors that were 21 inches wide that could not be widened.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I would love to live there. Of course, these days, wouldn't want all those stairs, but the bones are lovely. Thanks for sharing.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    This one I like.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I see it as maintaining traditional integrity. Even if under furnished, the signs of good taste are obvious.

    While there are a few things that could use re-doing, There is nothing that's horrendous as it is, even with the current wallpaper.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I so enjoy these types of posts you make, pal. Very interesting and educational.

    In this case, it's a relief to see older homes like this that haven't been horribly remuddled in an effort to update.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Pal, what's the MLS# for that? A buddy of mine is in the market in Society Hill, and I didn't see that on PruFox's web site. But I didn't spend a ton of time poking around. It'll need to be under a $1M for him, however, so that may be asking too much in that area given its apparent size.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    It's a bit over $1M, and it's in Washington Square West, not Society Hill. There is very little inventory in WSW so it is only a few down from the top of the listings if you sort by price.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I really like it other than the larger bathroom. I like the kitchen.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    "The interior of my pocket shutters had one layer of paint in about 170 years."

    That is truly amazing to me. IMO excessive layers of paint which need removing would be a major drawback to an older home.

    The large rooms and large windows are wonderful altho I'm not enamored of the kitchen or that second bath posted.

    Is this a townhouse or detached?

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Very nice, at least until you get to the kitchen and bath and even they weren't horrible. A least the rooms were not terribly over-decorated and over-furnished.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Kevin, it seems to be a Coldwell Banker listing. Here is the address: 316 S 10th St
    Philadelphia, PA 19107
    (Washington Square West)
    Asking 1,095,000.

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Still a good price, but that's kind of a weird location (although it is just down from one of my favorite restaurants (Canella, love the Cyprus breakfast) and, across the street, one of my favorite bars (Varga)). Thanks for the info, I'll pass it along. With the city's recent reassessment of taxes, these sorts of properties are going to get a little silly (what the city would call "fair") as far as property taxes are concerned. Fortunately, they used the 1826 square footage of my house, which is 500 square feet under what it actually is, saving me about $1.5K.

    It's hard to pass up those room sizes if you can afford the house. I could not, so that's the difference between $475-500K and $1M+.

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