Man.....unless you are a very quick student do not build this project yourself. Just asking if you put concrete in the foundation says to me you should stick to your day job. J.

Ask around some masonry supply outfits for the name of a retired mason contractor and beg and plea for him/her to come over for an hourly wage and help you with the project. By you being the helper, you will save some dinero by being the grunt, but make things move along a little faster. Besides, you might learn something so that you can do it your own bad self the next time around. Worth a shot!

The spamers have struck again. J.

Hey J, Either im seeing things or i must have had too much ol' # 7 back in the hack days. What the heck is going on and how are they doing that?

John, you are funny. To the point...honest and correct. If you are that uneducated about a project, especially a masonry wall and don't have the money...don't even do it. You will regret it when it starts shifting or falling down. Sometimes it is worth the money to have a it done properly.

Les

They are gone now Sier, If the Site dident put them in they must have taken them off. I wonder how they did that as well but spammers are a dirty sneaky bunch they almost had to hack the whole site J.

Yeah, they were getting them over at the other forums as well. What gets me about these chaps is that if they will play these games trying to get advertising, what are they going to do to the consumer/customer. You'd think they would get it and knock it off, but they keep a spammin' hopefully shooting themselves in the leg by folks realizing thats all they are, just a sneaky bunch that would knock their grandma out if it was the last sandwich on the table!

Its Control. The advertising part is second. Its defentley not a game. A while back at another deck site they shut down the whole thing it was one like this one with many other areas. Those guys just dident have the money to fight them off.

The goal of these outlaws is to control the Web. J.