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Ordering Cabinets - Final Review Pls

15 years ago

We took in a lot of feedback from our last post:

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0411260324378.html#post

and started from scratch, trying to design around work zones and using the NKBA guidelines.

We will have a M/W Drawer in the island along with seating for five.

We are still kind of stuck on layout of the Fridge/Range wall. We do feel they both need to be on that wall, but unsure of the order. Meaning should we have the fridge be right next to the door, or should we have a small 15" cabinet (uppers and lowers) to the left of the fridge?

One gives us more countertop between the fridge and the range, but also moves the fridge further from the sink. The other gives us a landing space to the left of the fridge.

See pictures below

{{!gwi}}From Kitchen - BEFORE & inspiration
{{!gwi}}From Kitchen - BEFORE & inspiration

We also made changes to the island and it's now a rectangle and no longer an L shaped. (It might look strange in the picture but that's just IKEA's software)

Things to note:

Window cannot be moved

Sink cannot be moved

Must have seating for our family of 5

Filler piece next to fridge in the picture is a modified broom closet.

Blank wall is currently where our large china cabinet is and will stay.

Here is the overhead view:

{{!gwi}}From Kitchen - BEFORE & inspiration

View from our living room - door on the right leads to laundry room and guest bathroom

{{!gwi}}From Kitchen - BEFORE & inspiration

So all that said - we are hoping to order cabinets tomorrow evening. Any thoughts, opinions, advice would be greatly appreciated. My DH has already started breaking stuff in the kitchen, and I set up our temporary kitchen today. We have our liquor in an easy access location thanks to advice from GW.

Here is a link that might be useful: Old post

Comments (15)

  • 15 years ago

    Seems to me the top picture with the wall separating a cabinet stack hear the door, sets up a little separate utility-type or message section in the kitchen. Is that a function you want?

    Also, having the wall end with the cabinets on the other side closer to the door does break up the space a teensy bit in terms of the island and your seating. I'm not sure but it might make the seating section feel a little disjointed, like it's spanning two rooms. OTOH having the wall end at the start of the island leaves the end seats 'feeling' separated?

    I'd opt for the first picture with the cabinets on either side and the fridge situated midpoint to the island. It permits landing pads on both sides and also behind you, which I often use.

    I think it's a tossup visually, but functionally the fridge in the middle of the run works better to my sense.

    Is there going to be room to open the fridge? Might want to think about a french door fridge? (side view suggests there's plenty of space).

    Good luck! Know that these thoughts are from a rank novice, so evaluate accordingly ;)

  • 15 years ago

    I like a little more elbow room around the range so I might vote for the fridge farther away from the range, like in your second picture. That, plus I think that the 15" of space next to the fridge in the first picture might just be a junk landing spot and unusable real counter space.

    Is the fridge FD or single door? I'm not going to venture a guess as I know that software isn't always accurate.

  • 15 years ago

    I think the refrig on the end looks more balanced and moving moving it down 15" is not a lot. It also keeps people looking for snacks or drinks further away from your cooking. That being said I'm a newbie so it's just mho. Good luck! Pevo

  • 15 years ago

    That wall next to the fridge is actually going to be a small pull out broom closet. We do have a side by side fridge now ( non counter depth) and will likely upgrade to a French door counter depth next year.

    We liked the idea with the fridge closest to the doorway but were concerned about fridge landing space (although we have the island), and also concerned making the distance between the fridge and sink greater (brings it to about 10 ft).

    Seems like no matter how we do that wall there will be some sort of trade off.

    Thanks for the replies so far.

  • 15 years ago

    I agree with the others -- fridge on the end.

    And a question about the corner. I didn't see your earlier threads, and this was probably hashed out there, but did you opt to have the dead corner space because you wanted the banks of drawers on either side? Because otherwise you could use a blind corner there with a swing-out. But if you have arranged for enough storage space elsewhere (in the island. I'm thinking), then it isn't as important.

    I've got an Ikea kitchen and I can't say enough good things about it. Just make sure you have a plan for where you're going to put all the boxes when you bring them home. Arrange them in some logical way so you're not constantly having to unstack and shift. Some people like to do it by cabinet. We did it by having all drawer/door fronts in one place, all drawers in a second place and all cabinets boxes in a third place.

    And when you go in and order and pick everything up make sure to double and triple check your order. There might be some things that are back-ordered or that will have to ship to you. Those things don't print out on the sheet that shows you what you're taking home, so you won't "miss" them as you're checking off everything on the floats.

  • 15 years ago

    jakabedy - Thanks for the advice. Did you mean the corner next to the range? If so that's a corner cabinet with a swing out. Maybe hard to tell in the pic. If you meant the corner next to the DW we visually liked the looks of leaving the right wall open (not sure that's the right word?)
    We don't have a garage (it's converted into a MIL apartment) so it should be interesting storing all these boxes. I like your idea about having everything arranged to make them easier to assemble.

    breezygirl - You are totally right about that spot turning into a junk place. We already have what DH calls "Hoarder Corners" now with mail piles, keys, pens, screws, loose change, lint, etc. Why add another one.

    We have been working on the layout since February and it's changed completely based on all the advice here on GW and at Ikeafans. I look back now and am amazed at our first try. YIKES it was bad. There is so much knowledge on GW. (Pevo and Aliris19 - we are definitely newbie's as well and are grateful for your responses)

    Thanks again!

  • 15 years ago

    I agree with others too - fridge on end - more counter space next to the stove and keep others accessing the fridge farther from the cooking area.

    I noticed in the frig on the end that there are 4 cabinets left of the stove. 1 upper and 1 lower I think would have more useful space and probably cheaper too.

  • 15 years ago

    Another vote for the fridge on the end. What is the distance between the opposite wall and the island? If there's enough room a shallow pantry would provide LOTS of storage. Check out Malhgold's beautiful space.

  • 15 years ago

    Bostonpam - Good eye - The plan would be to do one set of uppers and one set of lowers (30"). We were in a hurry trying to post the picture last night and so just moved the existing two (15") upper/lowers together.

    Cluelessincolorado - there is enough space for shallow cabinets there, and we originally wanted to do that. Currently our china cabinet is on that wall and will have to stay there until next year, though. Due to finances we are waiting to add built-in's to that wall and since we are doing Ikea cabinets it can be easily done at a later date.

  • 15 years ago

    SLUSH- another vote for the fridge to be on the end. I think it will help with flow by doing it this way because then people can grab things from the ref and get out of the way without actually being too far into the kitchen footprint.

  • 15 years ago

    I too think the additional counter space beside the range would be much preferable.

  • 15 years ago

    Okay all. Thanks again. We are heading to IKEA in about 4 hours to put in a partial order, having the fridge on the end. After DH saw the picture you posted Cluelessincolorado, he is re-thinking our china cabinet wall and considering moving the pantry over there. As soon as we think we have "it" something comes up to change our mind. Is this normal? So we'll work on that a bit and see what we can come up with. At least we have the main part of the layout decided and can get a big chunk of our order in to make the big Kitchen Sale they are having right now.

  • 15 years ago

    Slush..

    Wow, your kitchen looks so much like mine and I, too, am about to order Ikea cabs to grab that 10% discount. I think your layout looks good--definitely keep the fridge at the end. Our layout is like that, with island behind, and I find it very functional.

    One question for you: what type of cabinet are you using for your M/W drawer, and what type of M/W. I'm thinking of the same thing b/c I'd really love to have a hood over the range instead of a M/W.

    Good luck with everything!

  • 15 years ago

    Glad you're doing fridge on the end. The fridge in the middle made your island look like an altar of sacrifice to Whirlpool.

  • 15 years ago

    Reston1 - we just ordered the 30" base cabinet of drawers. We are going to do a warming drawer as well. Here is the link to what others have done. They said that the MW drawer just fits right in. They did say you might want to get the special oven brackets? We forgot to ask about that last night but will of course be making another Ikea trip this week.

    I can't wait to see you kitchen too!

    http://www.ikeafans.com/forums/kitchen-appliances/15695-microwave-drawer-2.html

    http://www.ikeafans.com/forums/kitchen-appliances/9167-ikea-cabs-compatible-sharp-microwave-drawer.html

    and a quote from an older post: "We installed the 30" drawer in a 30" base with a 12 3/4" drawer at the bottom (front was from the 30" set of 3). Our carpenter simply put a filler piece between the top of the drawer and the bottom of the microwave. Actually, the filler is only about 2" high, you barely even notice it."

    Ordering last night was painless! The rep was so helpful and knowledgeable. We spent about 20 minutes with her, then went an had dinner in the restaurant and when we got back, she had completed inputting our order and we were done. We were even able to move out delivery to 4 weeks so we don't have to store the boxes until we are ready. Plus we loved that we saved almost $500 from the sale.

    Now we have to start working on the pantry.

    Thanks Marcolo - your post cracked me up!

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