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I have some "thinset for dummies" questions!

12 years ago

Hi all. I've never used thinset and am trying to understand this from posts in this forum but I'm still confused.

First of all, what is thinset? And is it the same thing as Mortar? (not that I know what that is either!). My mosaics are usually for example, glueing tess onto a birdhouse and then grouting inbetween. From what I've been able to surmise here, thinset is when you lay it out first and then smush your tess into it? Then do you have to have a mold to keep the thinset from leaking off the top of the surface?

Can you use thinset as adhesive? I think I've seen people say on here that they use thinset as adhesive. Does this mean that I would glue my tess onto my birdhouse using thinset instead of glue? And then still grout?

Can you use thinset as sealer? I think I've seen people say on here that they use thinset as sealer? I think of sealer as the clear shiney protective liquid that I pour onto my project when I'm all done, to keep it shiny and protected and ideally safe from the elements outside. Are you saying you use thinset in this same way? (I didn't get the impression thinset was clear which is why this didn't make sense to me)

Sorry for all the dumb questions. But for all the posts I've read here on thinset, I'm still very confused!

Comments (5)

  • 12 years ago

    thinset is very fine grade aggregate combined with concrete, which is essentially a very smooth creamy mortar mix. It often has latex or acrylic polymers added to strengthen it and create better stickiness and bond. So yes thinset and mortar are both cementious adhesives.

    Unfortunately, marketers have applied the name thinset to other premixed products and confused matters as they cannot be cement based and NOT cure in their containers, those are often mastic type adhesives that are plant based glues and will not hold up the way concrete will.

  • 12 years ago

    Good explanation of what thinset is. I was confused for years about "thinset" and "mortar." I even asked at Lowes one time and couldn't get a straight answer. I got my answers on this board, from nicethyme and slowmedown.

    As I understand it, thinset and mortar are the same thing. You can mix up small amounts at a time and use it as an adhesive. You can also spread a thick amount of it and press tess into it. You can also grout with it. The reason for using thinset is that it holds up outdoors.

    You cannot use it as a sealer (in the sense of applying it and wiping it back off as you would a clear liquid sealer). Perhaps the confusion came about because someone described using it as grout.

    I would recommend staying away from any premixed thinset, mortar, or grout.

  • 12 years ago

    The previous posters are essentially correct. Mortar is merely a broader classification. Thinset is really a shorthand way of saying thinset mortar, and is one of several types of mortars you can buy. You can also get medium-set mortar if you are laying large heavy tiles or mortar designed for laying bricks or concrete blocks.

    You can use thinset in either of the ways you describe, spread it onto the surface, and press the tess into it, or put the thinset onto the tess and press them onto the surface. Both methods can work, its mostly a matter of which makes job easiest. You can even do both, spread the thinset in a thin even layer onto the surface, and butter the back of the tess, and press then into place. When people refer to using thinset as a sealer, they mean coating the surface with a thin layer of thinset and let it harder completely, so that the surface is sealed, before starting to attach tess to it.

    They are also right that if it is pre-mixed, and comes in a bucket, it is not thinset, period, irrespective of any label on the container.

  • 12 years ago

    Very clear and concise Bob, Thanks

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks. THese answers really help. I've bought some thinset from Home Depot and I'm hoping to experiment with it this week!