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Windows for Minnesota

18 years ago

Looking for counsel from someone not trying to sell me a window. We moved to MN two years ago into a 15 year old house. In the past two years most of our window seals are broken and even with using 3M films the windows are extremely cloudy. Some are cloudy in the middle of the summer. I will take blame for the premature failure if it could have been caused by having our humidifier on the first winter we lived here. (Last year we never turned it on).

Lastly, we have had two window salesman come to our house. The first one wanted to put in inserts. The second one said inserts are very bad. However, I can't believe the second one because he gave mis-information so many times I am actually going to call the window manufacturer he represents and let them know. He also said he could tell the window manufacturer of my current windows when he walked in (is this possible?)

So here are my questions:

Are there other causes for my window seals prematurely failing?

Are there any other fixes besides replacement?

Can you vinyl in climates where temperature changes are very extreme. (summer 90+ winter -10)

Are inserts an option? or do you need to replace everything?

Once we get new windows will we be able to use our humidifier at the recommended settings in the winter?

What else should I be asking?

From what i have read on this forum the advise sent seems very credible. Thank you for your help in making me a more intelligent consumer.

Regards,

Kevin

Comments (4)

  • 18 years ago

    We are in New England not as cold as you but close.I never recommend inserts that come with jamb liners they are drafty.Replacement windows that come in there owen frame are a better choice,much like a pre hung door.You my need to adjust your humidifier when you install energy efficient windows,because they are tighter then old drafty ones.

    Here is a link that might be useful: alside windows

  • 18 years ago

    I asume that if you can use sash replacement you have double hung units. I don't believe that the humd. in your house had much if anything to do with the seal failing. Sash replacement is not going to be as tight as a new unit. However you can ad a storm screen combo. That will help alot to warm up the temp. of the inside glass which will help reduce condinsation on the unit. You might get some on the storm from leakage around int. sash. Most vinyl replacement units do not have combos so will glass will be around 30% warmer so 30% less moisture on unit.

  • 18 years ago

    Actually, we have casement windows. Based on the 3rd and 4th window salesman I have decided we need to replace the entire window mainly because of glass loss.

    The new questions are:
    Will I be happy 10 years from now with Vinyl windows? And if so how makes the "the above average" vinyl window.

    What truly makes the window durable so that I don't have to go through this again for 20 years.

    Thanks again.

  • 18 years ago


    There is quite a lot you need to understand about windows before you talk to someone about pricing. First, be very careful of Pella and
    any other roll formed clad window. The roll formed cladding traps moisture against the wood sash and rots them prematurely. You should
    stick to an extruded clad wood window or move to a fiberglass or vinyl, given your location.


    You also need to consider the long term implications of Energy Star qualifications, SHGC, Visible Light transmission and how these
    relate to daylighting and energy usage. Since we spend about 30% of our energy budget, understanding these issues could save you a
    bundle of money over the long term.


    I would start with Efficient Windows.org. From there I would see this web page that explains how these
    factors interrelate: >Solar Heat Gain (SHGC), Visible Light Transmission (Vt), U-Value and Daylighting.


    After that, make sure that you get pricing from several manufacturers lines. With the businees in such poor shape these days, you are in control, do not be afraid to move on to another source. Get 50 prices if you
    need to, but get educated first and understand what you are buying and get a thorough, complete written specification and scope of work
    from the contractor to make sure that he is quoting you the right thing and not setting you up for a giant change-order.


    Casements are much more energy efficient than hung or sliding windows due to much lowere air infiltration rates. I would look carefully at replacing your windows with casements. And if you got a bad feeling from your interaction with any salesman, trust your gut
    and move on.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Understanding Vinyl Windows