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14 years ago

Please critique this layout. Is there anything that I am missing? Things that I have yet to firm up are: the style of hood over stove, style of trim above open shelving, drawers or doors on either side of stove, where to put microwave and curtain or doors under sink. I am having "furniture" bottom instead of toe kick except under sink. I was also toying with the idea of having the dropped baking area (3 cabinets) being quarter sawn oak mixed withe the remainder of the cabinets which will be painted BM Simply White. Would that look stupid ? The uppers to the right of sink will be clear glass without mullions. There is also a 3.5 x 5 walk in pantry on an adjoining wall to the left of the refrigerator. What I have not included is an island and a potential peninsula that would separate the kitchen from the family room. I don't know if I want the peninsula or not. Am thinking I would like that piece to be "movable" if I do it.





Comments (23)

  • 14 years ago

    I like it! I think the wood cabinets would look good, but maybe with a slightly smaller window/or larger lower cabinet area. It seems like the wood/lower cabinets should be a little wider (more of a presence) than the window. Maybe just a few inches of cabientry on either side of the window, rather than the other way around? More like your cabinetry under the sink window.

    Also, if you do the wood finish...would you want to tie it in anywhere else? Maybe wood shelves against the white beadboard?

  • 14 years ago

    It looks good to me too. Why is the counter in the center section dropped down under the window? If this was discussed in another thread, I missed it.

  • 14 years ago

    I forgot to ask about a prep sink. I like your layout, but it seems to be 12' between the range and only sink. I realize you have a pot filler, but for prep, draining pasta, etc...have you considered a prep sink, maybe on the island? You would seem to have plenty of room and it might make cooking a bit easier.

  • 14 years ago

    Marti, the center section is lowered under the window for my baking prep area. I have a stand alone counter there now which is lower and since I am only 5' 2", it is comfortable. My only concern with the cabinets being lowered is with drawers etc. lining up with regular height counters and how does that affect storage space inside the cabinets?
    Lavender, YES! I need a prep sink! My dilemma: I was planning on an island with a prep, but I really like having a big kitchen table in center of room. It just seems to fit the old farmhouse. But . . . . if I don't have an island, where would I put a prep sink????

  • 14 years ago

    Well, if you use a big table in the middle of the room...do you still need the lower baking area? If not, I'd raise the cabinet heights on that wall...and put the prep sink where you have the trash pull out and move the trash to your flour/sugar area.

    This would combine your prep and baking areas, but you could really use this space very efficiently...and I think it would become your main work area. Then, you have cooking and cleaning along the other two walls.

    I'd get a big rectangular farm table with six chairs...and maybe slightly rounded corners on the table. Something like this, with a little softer corners and whatever type of chairs would fit your style/space :) {{!gwi}}From Lavender Lass farmhouse pictures

  • 14 years ago

    I love your idea of having a table right in the kitchen. And a lowered baking counter (also 5'2" here). As for a prep sink, since it goes in your main work area where you prepare meals, cleaning and peeling veggies before chopping, etc., where will you be doing all your usual work?

  • 14 years ago

    Rosie, right now I do all my chopping veggies etc. to the right of the stove just around the corner on the adjoining wall. It is very handy because I can just swivel and toss into the pan. I think I could also prep on an island , if I would put one in, and then swivel to the stove behind me. However, with an island I am moving the cut veggies across the floor vs. across a counter. I just cannot find a place for a prep sink along the periphery without upsetting my storage planning and symmetry. So, I either walk a few extra steps to the main sink or include an island with sink. Since the plumbing is already in place for the main sink, I can tell you that it is inconvenient to the prep area. I think if I came up with an island design that fit a farm house look that had some seating, that would work. For the most part there is just two of us. Seating for four would be ideal. I do like the convenience of eating right there vs. trapsing the food all the way over to the bay eating area. Right now I took the table out of the bay area and put in a nice area rug and a couple of cushy chairs with ottoman. Surrounded by windows, it is my favorite place to sit and read! (or nap!)

  • 14 years ago

    I love your design. I agree that a prep sink would be a huge plus. Before I had one, I had no idea how nice it was to have a sink to stack accumulating dirty pots and pans and another sink to rinse vegetables. If you decide to incorporate one you would love it.

    A minor point, but one that I always notice in a kitchen. Why put your outlets in the center of the backsplash where they leap out at the viewer? They can be placed just above the counter where they are far less noticeable, and strips can be placed beneath and to the rear of upper cabs where they are virtually invisible.

    I prefer the latter, but one or two low outlets can be useful to hide dangling cords if you will leave a few large appliances permanently on the cab.

    Outlets squarely in the middle of a beautiful backsplash in a beautiful kitchen simply seem counterintuitive.

  • 14 years ago

    If I'm reading your drawings correct - you have a 60" range (AGA?) with only 15" on either side. Even with an island or table behind you I think you still need more room next to the range. In my old kitchen I had about 9" and then the refrigerator - is was horrible.

    Also, you marked 15" for "large pots" on the range wall. Your cabinets don't look like frameless. 15" Framed cabinets will have only have 12" or so usable space in the drawers.

  • 14 years ago

    I don't if you already have the range in place (with hookups, etc.) but if you didn't...I'd put the range on the baking wall, with windows on each side. It would give you more prep space and be the main feature, when you walk into the room. Then, I'd have a smaller baking area where you have the range and the prep sink on the end, near the corner. Then, it would be handy to cooking and baking...while the clean up area would be on the other side of the table. Great for helpers to clean up for you :)

  • 14 years ago

    Bellsmom, the outlets you see in the drawing are already in except the two above the dropped down counter. I wonder if they could be lowered without too much cost. I don't like the outlets being so prominent either.
    bostonpam, you are right! It is an Aga and the best "close out" buy I ever got! I love it. Unfortunately it did not get set on the wall exactly where I wanted it, so it has been a design nightmare as far as cabinets go. On the left side of the stove is a warming tray which is about 18" wide. That and the 15" counter space is all I have there. On the right side the stove is close to the corner so I do all my prepping on that adjoining wall. (15" cabinet top and another 27" to the wall. All my cabinets are 27" deep.) Plenty of counter space for me to work in that corner and around the other side and swivel to the stove top.
    Thanks for pointing out about the lower cabinets by the stove. Do not know what to do with these. Should they be a plain cabinet or drawers?
    Can I put some sort of storage in those dead corners with just a 15" access drawer on one side only?

  • 14 years ago

    What manufacturer of fridge are you doing? Does it have to be a french door?

    I think since there is not really symmetry on the range elevation that I would eliminate the stepped detail over the fridge: it is wider than that over the shelves and not detailed the same way. I would focus on the symmetry on each side of the range and deemphasize the asymmetry that extends out beyond that.

  • 14 years ago

    The fridge is a Liebherr french door It is not here yet so could swipe out for a different style, but like the fact that it is fully integrated. Stove, windows, plumbing, outlets are in and staying what and where they are. I just need to finalize cabinet type and placement. Detail on cabinet above fridge, open shelves etc. will be the same thru out the room. The illustrations show two different ones only because I was playing with ideas. Palimpsest, I agree with you. I like the simpler lines of the heading over the shelves better. Do you think this is do-able, or should I go even simpler with a 1x6 board?

  • 14 years ago

    I'd put a toekick in front of the baking center too. It'll look nice and, well, give you a place for your toes.

    I don't think you need to be concerned about storage with the lower counter. I had something similar (a dropped counter next to a standard one) and didn't have issues. Although you're going for symmetry there, I'd replace the flour pullout with drawers (unless you have a snazzy flour dispenser system planned). You could always do a fake double drawer front on the trash to match. I find canisters are easier to deal with in drawers.

  • 14 years ago

    I asked about the fridge for a couple reasons. I prefer solid doors over french because you can have a distinct set-down area on one side without a door being in the way.

    But I think french door makes more sense in your case. With Liebherr the french door fridges do not have an interior bin that opens into the same potential space occupied by the door shelves, the door is plain in that area. The solid door has another drawer or bin on top of the bottom pair.

    For door swing at 105, you only have to provide 3" at the wall for the french door Liebherr doorswing, and there is no conflict with the drawers.

    The width is also 35-7/8, so you could get away with a 3" filler to the left and a 3/4" panel to the right with overlay or a 1-1/2 stile on the right with inset for a total of (3 + 35-7/8 + 6/8 = 39-5/8) or 40-3/8" with a stile.

    You are allowing up to 47" here.

    With a savings of 6+ inches you could probably add 3" on each side of the range to the drawers. (18" instead of 15")

    I also agree that a flat board would look fine atop the shelves.

  • 14 years ago

    Pallimpsest, here are my measurements on the stove wall: I have 60.5 inches to the left of the stove to the wall. On the right side I have 42.5 inches from the stove edge to the wall. The stove sticks out about 29.5 inches. My cabinets will be 27" deep instead of 24" deep. That only leaves me enough room on the right side of stove for a 15" cabinet. To balance, I put another 15" on the other side. The fridge is 36". To the left of fridge I hope to fit in a pull out can goods storage in remaining space between wall and fridge. Do you think that will work? This wall is not balanced thanks to the installation of my stove being moved down the wall from where it was supposed to be. (I should have stood there thru the whole installation, my fault for not supervising!) This wall layout has driven me crazy. I don't know how else to lay it out and have it look right. Do you think the center wall without cabinets next to the window will look all right without any uppers on it? Wish I had a decent cad program to lay it out in and view it. I am so frustrated! Sorry about the drawing being so large. It is either so small you cannot see it or too big.

  • 14 years ago

    Quiltgirl- I'm not exactly clear as to whether you've ordered your cabinets or not...or whether you can change anything. So, I'm just going to throw this out there and if it doesn't work, please disregard :)

    What if you leave the fridge/range wall 'as is' but move the sink/clean up area to the longer wall with the window? Then the other wall could have the lower baking area. It's not as close to the ovens, but I'd rather walk back and forth once or twice (from baking area to ovens) than back and forth between the range/fridge and sink areas.

    Also, I put the table and chairs in the middle. Sorry, I ran out of white out at the very end...so I hope you can read this! {{!gwi}}From Cottage house plans

    And a picture for possible eating area, from Country Living magazine :) {{!gwi}}From Lavender Lass farmhouse pictures

  • 14 years ago

    Lavender,Thank you for all the input. It really helps! I also was looking at your plan and would die to have a greenhouse off my kitchen! Now I am re-thinking "country french" farmhouse! (And I have chickens!) The cabinets are not ordered yet. Am trying to come up with the best layout and type of cabinets so I can get this kitchen done. I had toyed with the idea of moving the sink to the other wall. It would entail moving the plumbing and electrical work for sink and dishwasher which is already up and functioning. However, I like the sink where it is for a clean up sink and dish storage. I am thinking the dropped counter looks best in the center of the "U" rather than on a leg. I work there now and I like my view out the window. I also think I am influenced by habit, i.e. I have always prepped and baked there. I could add a prep sink on that wall but hate to lose the cabinet space so will probably go with a table looking island into which I can put a sink.
    You suggested the dropped down area be wider than the window, so I re-drew that and it does look better. Will have to play wirh cabinet sizes etc, but here is an example. Click on picture.

  • 14 years ago

    Oh, I like that much better! The island is a great idea and I think that will solve your sink problems very nicely. I'm glad you like my kitchen, because I'm really liking yours, too. In fact, I'm going to try an island in mine (different direction than I had before) to see if that creates a better layout. Anyway to add a greenhouse off your kitchen? :)

  • 14 years ago

    Oh I would love to have a greenhouse off my kitchen! Unfortunately there is no where to attach it! I think your plan is just perfect with the greenhouse off of one side and a porch on the other! I do love the look of a table in the kitchen, but the island will be very practical and give me more storage and work space. I am just trying to get the periphery cabinets in and then will add an island later. I am doing all drawers except for garbage pull out and sink base. Am going to redraw entire kitchen with details and changes and see how that looks. I need to come up with a hood design. I don't need a vent there since I have a direct vent out the back of the stove. Do you think I should do open shelves here too or is that getting too many open shelves? Below is a picture of our fireplace in the family room which is open to the kitchen. Do you think I can do something a little different in the kitchen? Perhaps a "shaped" hood or something with a slight arch. All my lines are square so am wondering if I should add some gentle arches or curves or cutwork somewhere or is that taking away from the look? Also thinking of making drop down counter wood instead of painted along with island and hutch cabinet. Don't know if I would like the mix of wood and paint together though.

  • 14 years ago

    I forgot your range position was already a done deal, sorry.

  • 14 years ago

    I don't know what you have planned for countertops, but marble on the baking area would be beautiful and functional! I think the wood/white cabinets would depend on what you plan for the island. Maybe white perimeter cabinets and a wood island? What do you plan for the other countertops? Maybe wood or soapstone/granite...or all marble?

    I like strong linear lines, with some curves. Your picture above is beautiful. I especially like the curved feature on the top of the open shelves and the range 'hood' with the single shelf and brackets. The faux legs on the cabinets are a little too fancy (for me) but make sense with the bumpouts.

    For the island...that wood looks a little dark (maybe it's the dark countertop?) but I think marble on the island and baking area...with wood or soapstone/granite on the other perimeter countertops would be very nice! Of course, if you want to get wild and crazy (LOL) you can use some blue ceramic tile and bunnies...like my plan :)

  • 14 years ago

    Yes, definitely marble on the baking counter. Would love a butcher block on the island and maybe a quartz on the rest. The legs are a little too much for my kitchen. I just like the open shelves and the decorative valance at the top of it. Now I need to figure out a hood style for the stove. Does it need to be wider than the stove or can it be exactly the same size as the top of the stove?

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