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Kitchen Update on Tight Budget

15 years ago

Hello everyone,

First let me say I LOVE these forums! Oftentimes I have read here for answers/feedback on "how to do" a variety of things, but have not had reason, until now, to post. Here's the situation:

* We are moving/downsizing this weekend from a three-story 3,000 square foot 1830's Colonial to a one-story custom-built 1,600 sq ft. ranch house fairly deep in the woods. Hubby and I and kids totally restored the Colonial during the 20 years we've lived here. Of four, only one child remains at home (son, age 20.) We're in our early 50's, hubby is a master craftsman, had his own remodeling business for years, but closed it when the housing industry tanked. He is now doing computer wiring occasionally for cash with the intent of raising bees and tapping trees on our new woodland property. So while I am fortunate to have my skilled hubby and our son as his "apprentice," and while I am no newbie to life under construction, I still need kitchen design help while keeping a shoe string budget in mind. ; )

Here is a link to a visual tour of our new house where you can see the kitchen and sitting area I'm writing about:

http://www.visualtour.com/applets/flashviewer2/viewer.asp?t=2412611&sk=30

Any and all feedback would be welcome.

The facts about my "new" kitchen:

* Oversized, eat-in open-space with a sitting/fireplace area that could almost be a small living room unto itself.

* Double-L shaped cabinets in solid oak -- honey colored w/ no hardware. Cabinets have been well-maintained -- need a few touch-ups here and there on the lower doors, but all in all in great shape.

* Huge skylight in front of the stove just begging for an island underneath.

* Countertops are a tan Formica from the late 80's. They're also in great shape but very dated.

* Flooring throughout entire area (kitchen, sitting area, and on down front hall to utility/laundry room is all a tan linoleum. Again, good shape, but outdated.

* Appliances are also cream-colored and dated, but running just fine and I'm inclined to use them until they die, at which point, I'd replace w/ stainless steel. Present sink is stainless steel.

Here is the short-term vision:

* The entire space needs some darkening -- way too many light colors for a space so large. Plus I really like contrasts -- I do not like "sameness," but neither do I like "overdone".

* Countertops MUST be replaced first. Hubby is willing to do anything I like EXCEPT concrete which he's never worked with before as countertop material. I explored the DIY refurbish Formica-to-simulate-stone kits, but I am not all that fond of real granite or marble or quartz to begin with, so why would I choose a psuedo-stone? I do like soapstone, but even if we went with remnant slabs, we will need abut 35 square feet of it and that will cost more than I can afford if I am to reserve money for flooring -- which I think is where we should invest the bulk of our "kitchen kitty". We were seriously thinking hammered copper sheeting w/ a wood trim right on over the Formica, (would fit the budget and fairly easy for hubby) but I think the copper would then dominate the kitchen and besides, what a PITA to maintain! Maybe we'll do a section of the TBBL (to be built later) island in copper, though. Hubby said he could do ceramic tiling right on over the Formica, but he thinks ultimately I won't like dealing with grout. I'm not so sure he's right about that..but our current thinking that fits budget and both our preferences is...WOOD! It would be fairly cheap to purchase ($500-$600) although more labor-intensive for hubby and son. Plus hubby showed me various planks he has on hand and although I really like the look of mahogany, I am inclined toward cambria (or cambera?) because it is an extremely hard, naturally dark wood. Cherry is nice, too, but Hubby said the cambria/cambera would be the best overall in terms of wear and resistance to water and that he can seal it so that I can wipe it just like stone, tile, or Formica. Whatever we do, I want to be sure we choose long-lasting, durable material. We will change the sink when we change the countertops, and for that I am inclined to go with a medium-grade composite/granite dull black or charcoal gray -- probably a brushed nickel or brass fixtures. At that point, I'd probably add hardware to the cabinets to match.

* Flooring will be next -- even before the island and before new range/hood etc. I like the look of wood flooring -- especially cherry handscraped -- but I think it's impractical for our family. We do a lot of cooking and canning and it would kill me to see it ruined. I also have to consider mud and wet leaves being dragged in from outside and I want a floor that is NOT slippery and that can also be dirty without noticing it. So we're thinking textured slate in a pattern similar to many folks' foyers.

Long term vision:

* Island/breakbast bar -- 2/3 butcher block; 1/3 copper for eating area (?)

* Stainless steel range w/perhaps a copper back splash and/or hood

* Stainless steel dishwasher and frig when they croak

* Last but not least will be counter backsplash -- maybe wainscoating, maybe copper -- will have to see what it calls for when everything else is done.

I'm sorry this is so long -- but if you have made it this far, what do you think of wood countertops and slate flooring and the overall vision? Do you something I'm missing in the overall planning? Any ideas?

Thanks!

Mamiam

Here is a link that might be useful: Needs Kitchen Update

Comments (8)

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Although, I think that wood countertops will look just fine, some alternatives to copper you may not have considered are pewter and zinc.
    I'm attaching a link to a somewhat informative website that deals with metal countertops.
    Also, if you perform a google search for pewter or zinc countertops you'll see some good images.
    As for your floor choice, slate is a great material.
    Some people say they find it hard to stand on for long periods of time but we installed it in our recent kitchen reno and we love it.
    Here's a mid-construction shot.
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    Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Metal Countertop Info

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Are you leaving the cabs stained or would you paint? If you are keeping them in a wood stain I am not sure wood counters will work and I would think about a metal or formica tops. I believe zinc and pewter change like copper but stainless steel is not living and will remain the same except for scratches but eventually they blend together to form a patina that is lovely. If you plan to paint the cabs a color I think wood would look wonderful! And painted cabs with slate and wood is a lovely combo. Congrats on your new home!

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    You should take a second look at the copper countertops. Some people here have diy'd them and the patina is part of their charm. You don't want to keep them looking like a new penny forever. And I think they would go great with a slate floor.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Here, too.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Copper

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    If you browse around on Youtube, you can see videos about doing zinc or copper counters. If your spouse can run a soldering iron, you're good to go.

    I'm thinking a wood edge is too much wood for that kitchen and agree that wood counters might not be right either. If you were into painting the cabinets, it might look ok - BUT oak is hard to paint without seeing grain everywhere. Maybe adding more darkness by gel staining the cabinets dark might be too darkness much after adding a slate floor.

    If you have time and like it, maybe do milk paint with a sand through here and there to the oak. Its not everyone's cuppa, but it might help brighten the kitchen and blends really well with wood counters. A nice cherry red or burgandy can transmit the same feeling as cherry for a fraction of the cost.

    I think your new house is a diamond in the rough. The yard and that garage-workshop are amazing. Consider going slow - live with it for a while before doing a lot. What you want to do may change.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    What I hear you saying is wood counter, wood flooring...what about the cabs? Painting? I think they would have to be to balance all that other wood. Copper sounds gorgeous, so does any metal that will patina. I love the ides of cherry countertop and floor with a painted cab the best though. Metal is noisy.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I think if you want to go with wood counters, they should be stained dark. Then, I'd want to see lighter for the floor or you may end up with too much dark.

    Since you mention being in your 50s, you may want to consider cork or something else soft for the floor. It will serve your back, joints and feet better over time. I am in my mid 40s and have had issues with pinched nerves in my feet a few times and I have to say that the difference between carpet, wood and tile is magnified when you have problems with your feet. I'd make the flooring a priority in your budget because the rest can wait. You could even consider a nice vinyl tile. You don't just have to go with the 80s shiny type of stuff. There are now very nice ones you can choose. Not only will they be easier on your body but they are warmer and you get less drastic breakage if anything gets dropped. I was shocked when I dropped a glass jar on linoleum in our bsmt and it did not break. On our old tile floor in the kitchen it would have shattered and spread glass fragments for yards. The bsmt lino was on a slab, which makes the non break extra surprising.

    I know people like the look of copper, but have you ever smelled or tasted a penny? It gives me the willies to think of it near food. I know copper pots and such are nice, but I don't want my food in contact with it.
    I'd consider the stainless for your counters or a nice laminate if you don't do wood. Those also have come a long way in the past few years. Not all laminates are faux stone any more.
    I'd keep an eye on CL or at the local Habitat for Humanity Restore for an island that you can use. If you did make your own island top, I'd consider all butcherblock so it does not look choppy and the diners can have a softer warmer feeling surface to rest their arms on.

    I think if you want to make the space a little darker/richer looking, I'd do that with paint more than the permanent fixtures. Then, if you feel you went too dark after it was done, a new coat of paint costs less than a new floor or counters.....

    Of course, you could gel stain your cabs to go darker, but then it would probably look better with a lighter counter and floors. I agree about wanting contrast so once you pick your darker element, I'd keep the rest light to medium toned. Despite the large space and skylight, if I were to make a mistake in one direction or the other, I'd rather it be too light than too dark....

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thank you, everyone! You've all given me some ideas to think about. After reading these posts and talking with my BFF, I am going to retract my statement that countertops MUST be first and go instead with flooring first -- for several reasons:

    1.) It will require the biggest outlay of money.

    2.) It's the one area I feel most decisive about -- i.e., though lovely -- not wood -- nor bamboo, nor cork, nor vinyl, nor granite nor marble (though thank you for thinking about my aching joints!)

    3.) Past experience has taught me in order to do such projects-- time, money, and energy all have to come together at once. Right now we have all three and my husband and son are raring to go just as soon as I make the call -- that may not be the case six months from now. (Sigh. Such is the life of a carpenter's wife.) : /

    4.) I think it better to lay flooring now before the cold weather sets in -- probably not a good idea to lay slate in the middle of winter.

    5.) Once I see how the slate looks, then I can make a decision on the countertops.

    Yes! You've all helped me realize I am about 98% certain we'll go with slate. I actually have a slate floor in my current kitchen (will post pics later when I figure out photo bucket) and after 13 years I still love it. People thought I was crazy when I chose slate and that was when all sorts of lovely tile was the rage, but my thinking then was similar as now: I want timeless, durable, non-slippery, low-maintenance, practical for our purposes and to still looks nice no matter what the men drag in on their boots. ; )

    Hmmm....I never even thought about painting the cabinets -- but I do like the idea, especially milk paint! I really do like the look of milk paint! And I like the fact that the painting could be done "later" -- maybe next summer.

    Thank you, too, for pointing out there might be too much wood going on if I go with wood countertops. That is definitely something to consider.

    Have already looked at a number of custom-metal countertop sites (copper, zinc, etc.) but I just can't envision the entire countertops being all one sheet of any kind of metal. Plus while I do like the aged patina look I don't like acid spill spots and scratches and all the dings and dents that come with soft metals. Hubby has actually done some lovely copper work (lamps and planters) and I know he'd do a great job, but you see he's from the Southwest and I'm afraid he'd go a little nuts and get too south-western adobe-ish if I just let him have at it. ; ) Maybe a natural (no stain) sealed cherry countertop with stamped or hammered or beveled copper edges might be a compromise.

    Then, too, if I go with wood countertops we could always tile over them 10 or 15 years down the road...

    But enough about countertops for now. I really feel the floor throughout the entire area should be slate. I agree, in part, with the notion of living in a house awhile to see what you want to do. But I thought slate flooring when I first walked into the house and every time I've looked at it online and every time I've been there since. (God willing, the cherry flooring will come later with the living room and bedrooms.)

    But first things first...I still have to finish packing! :o