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Wow. Really??

17 years ago

I met with the KD with my new design today to go over everything. She gave me a printout with the cost of each specific item.

The 9" pullout pantry that I wanted next to the fridge was over 1,000 dollars! (Schuler Traditions, not even the Grand Traditions.)

Seriously? Do you think it's worth it?

Comments (33)

  • 17 years ago

    How about getting a plain cabinet and retrofitting it with something pullouty yourself?

  • 17 years ago

    fori, I've been looking at that. I'm not sure that I can get the 9" without the pullout, but from what I've seen online, a pullout for that cabinet would cost 500-700, plus another 100-200 to ship it! So I don't know if it would end up costing less. If I could get a 9 inch with shelves, maybe I could get baskets or make boxes to pull out?

  • 17 years ago

    Hmm. What would it cost without the pullout I wonder? And is it framed or frameless (frameless would be easier to deal with I think)?

    I have a cheap streak, so I understand your pain! Is it a really GOOD pullout pantry?

    It's probably good I didn't get everything itemized...

  • 17 years ago

    "It's probably good I didn't get everything itemized.."

    I know! part of me wishes I'd never seen this. LOL.

  • 17 years ago

    all of this is a mystery to me really since A: i don't have a KD (or someone to mark stuff up) and B: my kitchen was priced out according to a bid by the cabinet maker and includes all fittings...

    let's try and figure this out. do you have a pic, or have you seen it anywhere else? what does it look like and what's so special about it? is it one of those tall pantry things? sorry but i can't picture what it is...

  • 17 years ago

    I recently finished a kitchen where three cabinets were 33% of the budget and the other dozen were the other 2/3.

    Its not uncommon for the specialty cabinets to be very expensive, compared to the basic ones. It is kind of shocking though to see it on paper.

  • 17 years ago

    Ok, its 9 inches wide.

    How deep is it, and how tall is it?

    Like stated above, specialty cabinets rack up the price in a hurry.

    Worth it? Not to me. 15 inches maybe, for a hundred more or so, but not 9".

  • 17 years ago

    I don't know. If it rounds out your kitchen and is an important part of your vision and otherwise doesn't kill your budget then perhaps. Is there a good alternative for that space that is cheaper. The kitchen designers at HD and Lowes will try and fill every space in your plan. Do you need the cabinet? was it something you wanted and sought out?

  • 17 years ago

    It's a tall pantry, between the wall and the fridge. Above the pullout, there's a narrow cabinet that's perfect for cookie sheets & trays. I have a tiny kitchen and it's really all I can fit for a pantry. It also gives me an option if I want to switch the fridge hinge to the other wall, or if I get a bigger fridge someday. (30" now.)

  • 17 years ago

    I have a tiny kitchen. You just answered my question. In a small kitchen it might be worth the cost to get some good storage. Your per sq ft cost in a small kitchen will likely be higher than a large kitchen just to get some basic functionality and comfort.

  • 17 years ago

    Wow, I don't know if it is worth the $$, but I love it! Wish I had one. Take the above advice and explore your options.

  • 17 years ago

    Wow...I've been leaning toward schuler and I want the 9" pantry by my fridge! haha. What is your door style and stain? :)

    I'm going for the ornate cabinet look with the finished panels on the end of the fridge too so I'm preparing for shock...although I'm sure I won't quite be ready. I'm guessing the cabinetry around the fridge will be 1000 too.

    I'd love to see what your cabinet estimates are.

  • 17 years ago

    I'm doing Schuler as well and my 18" pantry cabinet with upgraded roll-out shelves and deluxe finished end panels costs $1,942! And that's without the upcharge for the painted/glazed finish. The Schuler specialty cabinets are very expensive, but like you, that's going to be my only pantry space so it's worth the cost to me.

  • 17 years ago

    My Kraftmaid 15" Tall Pull Out Pantry(looks the same, but 6" wider) was $780.28 according to our break down. Ours is stained, not painted(usually an upcharge) and has matching finished plywood sides, not furniture sides(also an upcharge.) So the price is probably comparable.

  • 17 years ago

    that's for park place maple, chestnut stain. No finished ends since it's between the wall and fridge.

    "sigh" maybe I should re-price in KM, this kitchen seems to be costing so much more than I'd hoped.

  • 17 years ago

    What would be the cost of an upper + base cabinet be? Keep in mind that even that cost would be for cabinet boxes & doors for approx 19-1/2" less height than a full height cabinet (18" backsplash area + 1-1/2" countertop).

    You may find that the cost isn't that much more, especially considering you're getting an additional 19-1/2" height of cabinetry...it's just showing up as one item instead of two.

  • 17 years ago

    annie.zz, if your cabinet is at the end of the run, is it possible you could use a 24"W x 9"D cabinet installed sideways. You could have regular adjustable shelving there, and have more room and flexibility and ease of access for less money. You can get false doors for the "front" of the cabinet so it looks right.

  • 17 years ago

    On the "don't do it" side, in a framed cabinet, a nine inch pantry is really slightly less than 6" wide. That's not enough width to store a cereal box on edge.

    Its costing around $180 per inch of usable width. It might be more depending on the height of the operating unit - they come in different sizes.

    You can get a utility closet (or get an open face cabinet) and closely stack wood pullouts stained or painted to closely match the cabinets. Most cabinet companies sell quarts of matching stain or paint. The only problem with this is that the pullouts are dimensional - so the slightly less than 6" wide becomes closer to 4.75".

  • 17 years ago

    yes, i've seen those pull outs and they seem very useful although as bmorepanic already said, i'm not sure how much storage you'll actually get out of a 9" (which will only be more like a 6").
    i wouldn't rule it out, but i would decide what i plan to store in there and then make sure it will actually fit. you don't want to end up with something that will only function as an oversized spice cabinet!

  • 17 years ago

    I love my 15" wide tower pullout from Ikea, and paid $547 for it. So, $1000 for a preassembled cab does not seem out of line to me.

    If you can possibly fit a 15" wide pantry instead of 9", I think you would find it to be much more functional, as long as the internal drawers work independently. From your photo it looks like the internal drawers on the Schuler pullout are fixed to the door, which means you can't adjust the height of each shelf, and you will need head room above each shelf to access things.

    Here's my pullout, sorry about photo quality:

  • 17 years ago

    The good quality aftermarket pull out pantry slides from Haifele or RevAShelf will run you as much as that or more. And you'd still have to install it.

    I like a 9" broom closet for the space you're describing. A 9" pullout doesn't have very much storage, and, as you've discovered, it's very expensive storage. If it were a 15", then that changes matters. A 15" pull out pantry can hold a surprising amount of stuff.

  • 17 years ago

    The ikea pull out pantry is great! I'd like to have a bigger one, but I have such a small space though (8 x 10 max) so everywhere I add inches, I lose something else. If I make the pantry any bigger, I lose pot drawers (which I already shortened up to accomodate the pantry...)

    I dunno, maybe I'm better off just chucking the pantry and getting back the bigger drawers/ wall cabs on the other side. But I really love the idea of having the pantry, even a skinny one. I guess I need to go back to the store and really look at the 9" to see what my gut tells me.

    Thanks everyone for the advice - it helps to get all your great thoughts! And my DD is ready to kill me if I talk about the kitchen anymore around her ! LOL

  • 17 years ago

    We have a 12" pull out beside our fridge and it is invaluable to me, but if it were 3" narrower, I don't think it would be much more than a spice/oil drawer and therefore not that useful. Can it really not be made any wider? If not, my answer would be to not pay that much for it. If you can get it wider, I would definately pay that much or more.

  • 17 years ago

    annie,
    I understand completely. In my smallish kitchen, I also wanted a pantry but I just never could make it work without giving up something I wanted more. In the end, you just have to prioritize your wish list, think really hard about how you use your kitchen and what is most important to you. And I think going to look at the pantry again is a great idea - measure some of the things you would want to be able to store in there and absolutely listen to your gut. Storage space is such a huge part of doing a smaller kitchen, if it works for you and you can afford the overall price of the cabinets - I wouldn't get too caught up in the price of one piece.

  • 17 years ago

    Hi. I, just put in a 15 in one from kraftmaid, cost 640.00 Because of storage. I, was going to go with a 12 in. And really glad I, went to the 15 in. I, think 9 in would be really small. My 15in shelves in side measure about 11 in. So you can take about 3 in off. sharaz

  • 17 years ago

    I think kitchendude has a great idea, assuming this pull out is going at the end of a cabinet run. You could get a tall pantry cab, 24" wide X 9" deep and turn it sideways. You wouldn't need any rollouts or anything because of the depth. I bet it would be a lot cheaper.

  • 17 years ago

    Could you post a layout of your kitchen? Maybe we could figure out somewhere you could get extra storage that your KD is missing. Our kitchen is tiny too and we have some 6"deep cabs that are surprisingly useful for storage. My neighbour just had her kitchen redone and they built shelves around 3 sides of a column that they couldn't move - just saying that there may be other options.

  • 17 years ago

    ...between the wall and the fridge....

    Can the wall be taken down? That would gain you 4" or more... You could then either get a 24" x 12" cabinet or a 12" pullout...


    Some cabinet makers will make a frameless cabinet for you and then you can put a wider pullout in it. I have Omega and they made my 6" cabinets frameless and put in a pullout.

    I was going to suggest filler pullouts instead of a cabinet, but Rev-A-Shelf (at least) only makes them for 3" & 6" widths for tall and upper fillers. Base filler pullouts do come in 9" widths, though.


    How creative/skilled is your contractor? Could he build a top & bottom to the 9" enclosure and then install a "Five Basket Pull-Out Pantry for 9" width opening"? It looks like it attaches on the top & bottom so if your contractor could build you a toekick w/platform & top, perhaps you could install this. You would need to order a full-length door to attach to the pullout.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Five Basket Pull-Out Pantry for 9

  • 17 years ago

    I thought I'd get cabinets like that, but when I saw them in person, I realized that I'd not be able to get very much on each shelf, so I didn't include them in my plans. It depends on whether or not it's worth it to you.

  • 17 years ago

    I second or third the end run cabinet idea cuz that is what we chose to do. There are pictures online of that type of cabinet.

    Also check the pantry organization websites and look at the charts to see how much space you really need and how to fit things together to maximize your space.

    Our KD said not to use anything less than a 12" in a pullout type of cabinet.

  • 17 years ago

    My kitchen, which I am planning to remodel, is 10 x 10 and one of the things that I have figured is that I am better off with wide cabinets than with narrow cabinets because each cabinet has walls that eat up space.
    You may wish to post your layout. I'm totally new at this, but many of the participants are incredibly knowledgeable.
    BTW, I'm glad that there are other small kitchens out there!

  • 17 years ago

    Options for using a 9 inch space for pantry storage in your situation.

    pullout pantry cabinet 9 wide, 84 tall, 24 deep. $1065.00

    Pantry cabinet 8 wide, 84 tall 24 deep with no pullout: $745.00

    2- Wall cabinets, 9 wide 30 tall, 12 deep stacked on top of each other, pulled 12 inches off back wall, topped with a 9 wide, 24 tall, 24 deep upper for tray storage: $555.00

    {{!gwi}}

    2- wall cabinets, 9 wide, 42 tall, 12 deep, stacked, pulled 12 inches off back wall (no tray storage) $518.00

    {{!gwi}}

    There is no way that you will be able to utilize deep storage in a 9 inch wide cabinet, without some kind of pullout for access to the buried items.

    12 inch deep without a pullout would be manageable, and by the time you eliminate the pullout box and hardware, there may very well be an comparable amount of storage space since you can utilize the whole available space.

    Comparable cubic inches of storage between options.

    7W X 60H X 12D = 5040 cu inches.

    4W X 60H X 24D = 5760 cu inches.

    Pullout pantry cabinets costs you $510 more than the 3 upper arrangement or $.71 a cubic inch.

  • 17 years ago

    just to update - the Schuler pantry's usable space is more than the kraftmaid - I still need to go back in and look, but I found that out anyway...

    I priced out the kraftmaid - overall for the layout, the KM price was about the same, but the pullout was just over 400 less.

    Now if I can just get my contractor to work out his concerns about my peninsula ( other thread...)