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shade tolerance - cpm or jto

11 years ago

Can anyone comment on their experience growing Crown Princess Margareta or Jude the Obscure in a shaded location? I'm considering either for a west facing wall. DA promotes Jude as shade tolerant, but I'm suspicious of their marketing claims. On HMF Margareta gets better ratings for shade than Jude.

Thanks,
Di

Comments (4)

  • 11 years ago

    I grow CPM in partial shade. she is slow to rebloom, but first flush is beautiful! I heard she had slow rebloom in the sun as well though :) I hope this helps!

  • 11 years ago

    My CPM was in the shade and would have a great spring flush (before tree it was near leafed out. But then it was sparse. I've had to dig it up and am going to try it in a new location to see if it can do better.

  • 11 years ago

    Poor blooming is my worry, and I've heard that a west facing wall just isn't ideal. I planted CPM last year against a west wall. She was bare root and shipped a bit late. She struggled to grow and never produced buds. I also planted Jude last year in somewhat shady location. I dis-budded but he did produce buds several times throughout the summer.

    I'm trying to understand if Margareta is just unhappy with the shade, using Jude as my comparison. Or was it the late start she got? I can move her if she is going to sulk in the shade. She got good grades for shade tolerance on HMF, better than Jude.

    (Here's a strange annoyance, GW keeps changing my subject line to lower case. I capitalized, really I did!)

  • 11 years ago

    Hi Ratdogheads

    Since we're in the same zone, though different climates, I might have some input. I grow both roses, and CPM is essentially a once bloomer for me in reasonably good sun. Last year when she was pruned to the ground in the harsh winter she was a non-bloomer, and she's finicky at best. Jude the Obscure is planted on a west wall of mine between houses, and while it strikes me as pretty decent sun most of the time it seems to flourish in the respite from our hot summers. It was just a first year plant last year so I can't speak to rebloom but it's huge and healthy and should be a good bloomer in that site. Molineux and Pat Austin are in the same bed, and Molineux in particular adores the spot and reblooms well. Pat doesn't adore much of anything, but she's lovely when she deigns to grace us with her presence. I think Jude will leave her in the lurch for blooms next summer.

    Cynthia

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