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moving an old rose

11 years ago

I've already posted this in the Australian forum & got one reply (thanks) but apparently that forum is not visited much.
I moved a very old & neglected rose from a neighbouring garden. I don't know what it is, but it has a beautiful fragrance. I potted it, and a month & a half later it has shoots coming off it. I don't know much about roses and someone told me I should cut the shoots off as it might be a grafted rose, and the flowers would be different. But it is a very old rose - must be at least 20 years - so would it be grafted?
I'd like to know if I should cut the shoots off, and also should I prune the thick unsightly branch?
Photos are attached - the 1st before I moved it
Are there any other things I should do? I'm watering it a lot.
It looks like I can only post one photo, so will post the others separately

Comments (15)

  • 11 years ago

    This is after about 1 1/2 months in a pot (see previous post).
    Is this a new shoot or a sucker & should I remove it?

  • 11 years ago

    (see previous post) More shoots are appearing further up the plant - are these suckers and should I remove them?
    If not, when they are as big as the rest of the plant could I prune the unsightly larger stems back?

  • 11 years ago

    The rest of the plant - it's pretty misshapen. Do you have any advice on how/when to prune?
    thanks

  • 11 years ago

    I know nothing about roses - what are Doc huey suckers!!!!

  • 11 years ago

    Oh, I see ... a commonly used rootstock. From my limited knowledge, if it was grafted, there wouldn't be shoots growing higher up the stem would there?

  • 11 years ago

    If it was grafted, growth from below the graft point would be a sucker off the rootstock. Something that happens to me often when I move a grafted rose.

    BUT you have thorns on your fresh growth and Doc H starts smooth for me.

    My guess is if your rose is grafted, the graft line is below the soil so we don't see it or it is an own root plant. I have a rose that I think is grafted, but it seems to root when a cane touches the ground so I end up with lots of babies all around the plant. Yours could be either own root or similarly self rooted plants

  • 11 years ago

    If it was grafted there should be shoots growing up higher on the stem, because that is above the graft. Above the graft, the good stuff. Below the graft, the rootstock, from which you only want roots, nothing else. It's figuring out where the graft is. Root stock growth will look different, and not bloom in any way like the scion (the good part).

    It has new growth, which is always a good sign. Cut off anything totally dead, (brown, brittle) then feed and water it as lavishly as possible for a while to get a lot of new growth. At that point, you can start shaping it.

    You are getting good results so far, be patient and you will have a pretty addition to your garden in a year or two.

  • 11 years ago

    ..I would be in favour of leaving those stems in place too... they look as though they belong to the cultivar, not the rootstock if it is grafted....
    ...I don't know which rootstock they use in Australia but it appears you have probably planted the rose with the scion/graft just below the surface of the soil, as looking at those older growths, the thinner one to the left looks identical to the thicker shoot to the right of it.... and all these are arising from the base....so I think your graft is just below the surface...

    ...I also think your rose is Queen Elizabeth...

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks for your replies
    Yes it does look like a Queen Elizabeth, the other one next door has just started flowering again so it is a frequent bloomer.
    Do you think I can keep it as a potted rose, in a large pot?

  • 11 years ago

    Leave those shoots alone. They look like very healthy new growth and should be your lovely pink rose.

    Yes, you can easily grow QE in a large pot. Mine was in a pot for 5 years before I planted it in the ground. Sorry I did that now because I lost it the next winter.

  • 11 years ago

    Great, thanks for all this information. I think it must be as tough as old boots as it & another the same sort have been growing for decades next door, with absolutely no attention apart from being cut back occasionally. So hopefully I won't kill it.

    Here is a link that might be useful: In the garden

  • 11 years ago

    Hi Robynne,
    From the shots you have provided I think it is Queen Elizabeth.
    The second shot, I do not think it is a sucker as mentioned. The plant could be cutting grown as QE does grow well from cuttings, when you planted it did it have a big nob with the two older canes coming from it. Again you might have planted the graft below ground level. The shoot on the left hand side in the second shot is what would be called a water shoot. The skinny stem has damage to it and in my opinion I would remove it down to about 50mm above the ground. The two older canes(grey colour), there is one with a new shoot, I again would cut this back to just above the new shoot. The other one I would cut back to about 25mm above ground as it also has damage,. As for rootstock in Australia we have three basic varieties, Dr Huey, Multiflora and Fortuniana. Hope this helps a bit. Regards David.

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks, I did prune it quite hard. First I sprayed with lime sulphur, then I took it out of the pot and planted it in the front garden where it gets more sun. It's just started sprouting leaves. The ones on the right got mauled by a caterpillar. SHould I fertilise it now, cow manure??

    Also, when I pruned it I took some cuttings, dipped them in root hormone and put together in a pot. Sone of them have sprouted leaves but I don't want to disturb them to see if they have roots. They have been sitting outside, I didn't put plastic over the top as I didn't really think they would grow, it was a week since I pruned the parent. Should I cover them with plastic now or just leave alone?

  • 11 years ago
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    I would not fertilize the one in the ground until it has grown more. The ones in the pot could be growing leaves from left over energy in the cuttings. New leaves are not always a sign of roots. Are they in the shade? I don't like covering them with plastic, but that is just me.