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Adding SDL muntins to Exterior Only Windows

11 years ago

We are building a custom home along the coast in Galveston, TX. Due to miscommunication, our builder ordered all windows for the home based on the architect's drawings without our approval. Our understanding was that the windows in our plans were just "place holders," and we would choose every detail of the windows when the time came to order. Nevertheless, the windows were ordered months ago, and we just found out.


I have known from the beginning that I wanted the best version of an SDL that I could find. In other words, an SDL with muntins on the interior, inside the glass with spacers, and on the exterior of the window. We have to use impact rated windows. The builder ordered Windpact Plus by Custom Window Systems (CWS) with between the glass only grids (in flat grids I'm assuming).


After realizing the miscommunication and unfortunate reality that decisions had been made and orders placed, I asked him to look into any option to help rectify the situation. The builder came back and said that they could purchase and permanently install SDLs on the exterior of the windows and doors. Most of the windows are single-hung. He indicated that the company does not recommend installing them on the interior of the windows "because they rub." He said CWS typically does not apply the SDL material to the inside of the window until because it interferes with the operation of the window itself. The SDL bar will actually rub against the SDL bar on the top sash when you raise it. The SDL material would only be between the windows and on the exterior of the window.


The first question is if any of you have any experience with this? I have often seen muntins on the interior side of (single-hung operable) windows so I'm wondering how they do it? I googled as well and didn't come up with anything. I don't see any information out there about ill effects of opting for interior and exterior adhered SDLs on single hung windows.


Also, if we go with this option, will this look terrible from the inside of the home??? Being a coastal home and wanting to see outside, we will not have plantation shutters, blinds, etc. The window will be on full display.


Secondly, the bid for the material cost alone was $4,561 ($3,286 for windows and $1,275 for doors) PLUS $3,800 to install the SDLs. So all in, $8,361 to gain the effect I am looking for (BUT ONLY on the exterior of the home). It doesn't even achieve the interior look we hoped for. For a point of reference, there are 21 single hung, with 19 transom windows above, 3 casement, and 16 picture windows, along with 4 french doors.


I have heard success stories from people using Big Blue Windows here on Houzz but hate to mess with this after the fact and still not sure I'm going to achieve the results I'm wanting. Plus, often times you plan on doing something after the fact thinking you can save money by not going through the builder, and it ends up being much more hassle and more costly. You also run into lots of questions like...do I want full surround or no surround? What does that even look like? What if the pre-existing grills between the glass don't line up right with the Big Blue product?, etc.


Thoughts? I will attach a couple of pictures showing the look that I am aiming for. I have never seen the CWS SDL windows so if anyone has experience on how this looks, please share. ;)

Thanks in advance!!




Comments (10)

  • 11 years ago

    Thank you VERY very much for your insight! Greatly appreciated!!

  • 5 years ago

    What did you ultimately do, and are you happy?

  • 5 years ago

    Hello following up here from Canada, our supplier is saying they would mount SDLS interior and exterior with 3m tape, I’m concerned about the longevity curious is anyone else had this type of installation?

  • 5 years ago

    All SDL's that I am familiar with use VHB (very high bond) tape to mount SDL bars, most of them use 3M version.

    When properly attached I would expect the tape to last for decades.


  • 5 years ago

    I have seen the glass crack when the muntin's are put on incorrectly and removal is attempted.

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    I have successfully removed SDL bars in the past, but I was in a well equipped lab.

    Not something that I would generally recommend in the field, so very important that they are installed correctly the first time.

  • 5 years ago

    What’s the correct way to install them? Do you just peel off the backing of the VHB tape and stick them on? Do you recommend running a bead of caulk around the edges or anything like that?

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Make sure that the glass is meticulously clean and for best results use an adhesion promoter on the glass and SDL muntin bar as well before applying the tape.

    Attach the VHB tape to the muntin bar, leaving the paper on the other side.

    Pull about an inch or so of paper off the tape to the side, but don't tear it.

    Carefully lay the muntin bar on the glass allowing the exposed tape to adhere to the glass.

    Then slowly pull (to the side) the remaining paper from the tape as you press the exposed tape to the glass.

    You won't have full adhesion immediately, and you can remove the tape from either surface at this point, but better if you don't have to.

    No caulk or other materials/adhesives are needed.

    VHB is amazing stuff. I have been involved with glass ceilings that were attached using VHB tape to hold the brackets that were used to attach the HEAVY glass panels in place.

  • 4 years ago

    Where did you purchase these sdl grids? I have the same issue. Contractor failed to specify sdl or coffee is too order and pay for a new set of Windows. How many ways can you spell angry 😠?