Are looking at Miele cook top or range top? I could not find range tops on their web site. I have had a Wolf range top for 5 years and I love it. BTUs are 16K for each burner, but this range top is no longer being made by Wolf. They only make sealed burners now.

It's a range top. Look under products, then ranges, and it's under there:

http://mieleusa.com/Product/Details/1040

Nice unit with sealed burners, 5 are 19.2kBTU and 1 is 12.5kBTU. They have a 48" unit in a functional display at my local store and it's pretty nice to work with. $200 more than the Wolf though.

That looks pretty nice. BTW I have a Wolf Pro M double oven and have been using it for about a month. It works great no problems with the porcelain chipping. Wolf has not changed the interior of the E series. I have had two E series ovens where the porcelain chipped, so I was not going there for a third time. I upgraded to the M and am very happy with it so far.

Wow, they are not fooling around. They want to compete.

It's definitely a competitor from the design and performance specs. I'm just curious what experiences people have had with previous Miele cooktops, service/warranty issues, and if anyone has actually bought this unit or the range in any size at all.

I am planning on using the Miele 48"df range in my upcoming remodel, but have not been able to locate anyone who owns one (or range top).

I literally just asked my wife if that would be a better idea since it has the regular and microwave ovens built into it but it would only cost us 12" of cabinet space ( and a few grand.....). Our kitchen just isn't big enough for that size unit and we would probably never get the use out of the full 48" cooktop.

Their ranges go from 30" to 48". But they are brand new so little to no user info.

For those of you with the Wolf range or range top, any issues you have dealt with? I find little to no negative posts about the cooktop portion except that with the sealed burners, there is the potential for excess heat at the edges of pots and pans. We have Allclad for just about everything we cook with and I would hope that will provide even heat distribution but I am curious if anyone has had problems with that. I would opt for the old semi-open burners from Wolf if that was still an option.

We have the Wolf 48" range top with 4 burners and double griddle. We really like this appliance, although cooking with small diameter pans does require us to be careful with the flame level. I can't think of any negatives other than that. I love the extra low simmer of the back left burner. I can put a stick of butter or a cup of chocolate chips in a pan and they will melt perfectly without burning on the lowest setting. I don't even have to pay attention to it but can be doing other cooking tasks.

The griddle is terrific and has two heat controls so we can just use one side or both depending on how much we are cooking. It does take a while to heat up and cool down, but again, not really a problem.

We also have the Wolf convection steam oven and E-series single oven. No chipping since its installation 8 months ago. Love the CSO especially and hardly ever use the microwave anymore (which now lives in a lower cabinet, out of sight).

@SD350Z - You might contact or post to Catmom who has had issues with her Wolf ag range over the years.

Re Allclad - I had a set but got rid of it after the bottoms bowed. I feel it is overpriced and overhyped. At the suggestion of friends here I took a flyer on a Demeyere Atlantis pan as those got raves. I am thrilled with their cooking ability and responsiveness. I am accustomed to cooking with heavy French copper and the Demeyere is nearly its equal IMO. It's very expensive (though less than French copper), it cleans up beautifully and I also can put it in the DW. I'm using it on a radiant electric cooktop which it improves. On gas it must be a dream. There are several styles of Demeyere but I am speaking of the style with the thick bottom.

Thanks for the additional insight. @Jeewan - the Miele unit looks awesome in your install. What size hood did you use with the Miele? With the higher total btu, the basic math says 1100 cfm vs 900 cfm for the Wolf. I see only a few scenarios where we would ever have all 6 burners running and need that much ventilation, but curious to know what others have done with this unit and similar size range tops.

I don't know anything about how the new Miele rangetop performs, but from that photo, it sure is a looker.

Check reviews for Miele service in your area. In my area, it is excellent. I have needed service on my Miele vacuum (my fault, I repeatedly pulled the cord out of the wall), and my Miele washer/dryer (a delivery error), and customer service was great, and went "above and beyond". But there have been posts from people in other Miele service areas that have had complaints about service, so research yours before purchasing.

Jeewan,

Miele lists the 12k burner as a "simmer burner". Does this mean that you can ONLY get a good simmer on THIS burner or can you simmer on the 19k burners as well?

Hi, Update to the Wolf Ranges and range tops. BTU's are being upgraded to 20k and 19k respectively on all models combine this with Wolf dual burner technology you get a very low simmer and high heat combo. The Miele is amazing and now Miele and Wolf are only making your choices better or harder hahaha.

I talked to a Wolf rep on the phone last week who could confirm an upgrade to the burner but ratings in the immediate (6 months or so) future but that would be something possibly along the lines of a new product line or update coming out "soon". Wish it was in the next few months for evaluation but I'm leaning more towards Miele at this point from both performance and aesthetics. If anyone has other related info please share!

Your correct the new wolf products will have new model numbers in most cases for warranty and parts reasons. As far as when i have been told to look for these late May... Like any new products they take time as to sell off the old versions and get ready the new. Bottom line you can't go wrong with either Wolf or Miele in my opinion.

@sd350z we had some limitations in our install that required us to compromise a bit on the hood, we have a pop-up downdraft hood with 450 cfm or something (we came from a 1100 cfm hood.) While I can tell there is a difference when making stir-fry, in most cases the downdraft works well enough. We haven't used all six burners yet, so we will see...

@houztongirl I have gotten a very good simmer from the 20k burners, better than what I used to get with the Bluestar. The burners have two sets of burner orifices, the upper larger ones effectively go out and only the bottom smaller ones stay lit when the knob is taken into the range between low and simmer.

@jeewan-singh - thanks for the pic. We currently have a Bluestar as you did, and are trying to decide between Miele/Wolf (48"). Question: What's cleanup like?

kibera (or anyone else who may have insight) - I thought I was between the Bluestar Platinum and the Wolf rangetops; however, the Wolf's BTUs on the current models are underwhelming, and I think I would prefer open burners. Just wondering why you are moving from Bluestar to Miele or Wolf. BTW, the Miele is now on the table, too.

@riese1 Bluestar was on the whole fantastic. Simple, powerful, easy to clean (open), all mechanical. Only downside was highly temperamental "simmer". Our model is 6 years old, so maybe they've fixed that. Switching to either Wolf/Miele only to reduce # of brands in our life.

@jeewan. I am between a bluestar and Miele range. How do you find the Miele burners when it comes to Stir fry vs the bluestar? Can it heat the wok adequately to make a nice stir fry rather than a stew?

I tried out both the Miele and BlueStar Platinum at appliance stores (but don't have either installed).

I really loved the Miele, and IMHO it has a lot of features that mimic the things I really liked on the Wolf DF range. The Miele grill/griddle seems just about the same as what the Wolf has -- you can control temp on the griddle, and when you pull the grill/griddle out, it has the same porcelain thing on the bottom with a bunch of tiny holes (where gas flames shoot out). I personally loved the Wolf grill/griddle, and from what I can tell, Miele pretty much lifted the same design. The Miele also has something very similar to the Wolf "true simmer" (the stacked burners), which I really liked on the Wolf; but the Wolf highest burner if 16K and the Miele highest is 19K. All of the grates are dishwasher safe. The Miele oven on the range is very nice -- basically the same as the Miele M Touch wall oven -- and has some nice features that Wolf doesn't have (e.g. rotisserie option, burst of steam (6 min.) during cooking). I'll admit all of the electronics on the Miele make me a bit nervous right under those hot burners, but that may just be me.

I thought the BlueStar had an amazing cooktop if you're into stirfry or anything that requires intense heat -- the Miele doesn't even come close. And the BlueStar is an amazing roaster -- I did a roast chicken at 450 for 45 minutes that was gorgeous, with a beautiful, crackling skin. However, I found that the BS doesn't do well at low heat -- I think you'd need a diffuser -- and it was rather uneven when baking (cookies on multiple racks). It is a gas oven vs. the Miele electric. I also found that the BS door gets quite hot -- after roasting that chicken, it was hot (although the actual handle was fine).

I've since totally changed directions and am going for induction, but that was my experience with those ranges.

Oh yeah one other thing - the grill/griddle on the BS Platinum is a joke. Even the appliance salesperson said it cooked really unevenly (it's basically like putting a Lodge pan across 2 burners), and from what I could tell, the grill basically drips everything right onto the burners, making a huge mess.

Yeah. I saw that grill at an appliance store and it seems like they decided to jerry rig in a grill instead of properly designing a separate burner...then their marketing folks decided that they could interchange the grill plate and sell it as a new feature. I completely agree that a cast iron grill and griddle placed on the burners would achieve the same effect.

@jeevan Singh. Have you used the grates in the dishwasher. If so how did they come out.a

geekgirl512 - How is it that your Convection Steamer replaced a microwave - what about quick heating water for tea, etc, things like that?

@SD350Z what range top did you decide on and how is it?

We went with the Wolf 6 burner rangetop. Love it and would do it again. Main factor in the decision was the reputation and proven reliability over several years whereas Miele was new to the game. Also preferred the mixture of burner sizes including the dedicated summer burner that also works perfect for small sauce pans.

Thank you so much for your quick response! I'm still so torn because I'm going with Miele ovens and the range is on the same wall! Ahh decisions decisions

Danielle, there is absolutely no reason the rangetop and ovens should be the same brands. None. Even if you're offered a discount, you can probably get a similar discount buying different ones. If you prefer the Wolf, get the Wolf.

We did the Wolf rangetop and Bosch wall oven/microwave unit. The looks are very similar, especially when we went to stainless knobs on the Wolf unit.

Here are a couple shots for reference.

Hi All, I'm new here and your posts have truly been so helpful. I'm getting ready to decide on appliances for a full kitchen renovation. I'm set on the Miele CSO and single wall oven underneath it. I'm wondering if any of the Miele rangetop owners have any feedback on performance/reliability. Also wondering if those who couldn't imagine giving up seeing "the flame" have switched to induction and enjoy the cooking experience. Thanks!

@nanreno14, I have a Lacanche, which I an entirely different animal than a range top, but I wanted to speak to the induction issue. I scoured the forums for what seemed like forever trying to decide about appliances. I read several posters comments about switching to induction and not missing gas, but I couldn't imagine it myself. On my LC I have both gas and induction and I almost always light up the induction first. When we get these children gone and downsize, I will almost certainly get an induction range/rangetop. And I live in an area that values gas/flame/meat. We actually think BBQ is it's own food group. HTH!

Thanks @twobelles, your comments are very helpful. We are a month away from having the kids out of the house! My DH still wants to go gas but he's wavering. We'll see...

true test, go pull the knobs out of each. you will see a big difference in the quality and precision of how each is made.

my choice is the Miele.

My choice was between the Wolf and Miele 48" dual fuel ranges and I am going to buy the Wolf model.

We've loved the wolf. Best thing that separates it from the Miele is the low power burner (9,200 btu). We frequently use a small pot or pan for things including sauces and the smaller diameter burner really makes a difference in how the heat hits the pots and pans. The larger diameter sealed burners produce a wide flame that will heat the handles rather than the small pots.