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Floppy Teas; and Spring

Well, it's spring. We're having a glorious flowering this year, the warm climate roses are laden--my rather scraggly plant of 'Marechal Niel' is blooming magnificently--the happier Teas, i.e. those terraced with lighter soil and not fighting pottery clay are blooming wonderfully. Grass, trees, and shrubs are all as lush as can be. I don't know why all this surprises me. Possibly the heavy snow of February right after we all had flu rendered me pessimistic--it certainly smashed a lot of plants--and then we had a mild winter that did nothing to suppress pests, spring arrived with the worry about the deadly new Box Tree Moth, March was uniformly gloomy and gray, April was dry and as hot as summer. None of this strikes me as favorable to bloom, but there you are: 'Jaune Desprez', 'General Schablikine', 'Cl. Papa Gontier', 'Souv. de Mme. Leonie Viennot', 'Mme. Antoine Mari', 'Mrs. B.R. Cant'--they look wonderful. We also have lilacs, wisteria, laburnums, and snowball bushes in bloom now, while tree peonies and 'Mollis' are leading off the glorious peony season. It's forecast to rain today, so I'm hopeful the garden will be watered, and that the thunderstorms that are also forecast won't wreck the flowers.

Anyway, Teas. They flop. It's a problem. What I've read on the forum has made me wary of pruning my Teas, and I've tried just letting them grow, spreading horizontally at first and then building upward. It doesn't work. They go out and out and never build up; they flop under their own weight; they break when it snows--we have heavy snowfalls fairly regularly--especially at points where they've been tied. I've been so intimidated about pruning (this is no one's fault but my own) that I haven't cut out damaged canes, so that the Teas don't make new growth, and the damaged canes suffer particularly in snows.

Well, after our tolerably destructive February snow, I was forced to do a lot of pruning of smashed canes; and I gritted my teeth and shortened some long, long canes on some of my leggier Teas like 'Mrs. B.R. Cant' and my mystery Tea in the bed by the house. I don't know that it did much good: young Miss Mystery is still about two meters wide and sprawling, as is Mrs. B. Take note that this is not excessive growth resulting from pampering: these roses are neither fertilized nor watered: they just grow and grow.

Good heavens, no one's advice works: I'm forced to think for myself. My current ideas are, first, that I will prune more: cut out more damaged canes, SLOWLY, thus renewing my plants, and shorten canes as well, since the Teas don't seem to mind. The big innovation is that I intend to support my Teas, by building cages around them of widely spaced rebar uprights, with bamboo horizontal supports. I think bamboos at 1' to 3' height, depending on the rose, should help. Some will have higher supports, like 'Mrs. B.R. Cant' which has the dimensions of a moderate climber, and 'Archduke Joseph', which we've been tying into the persimmon and which is now has most of its flowers best viewed from the bedroom on the second floor. This is not satisfactory. I think we might be able to achieve a sheet of bloom if we build a strong support in front and train some of the canes forward, while we keep the persimmon pruned, though this isn't easy on such sloping ground. Also the roses on the terraced area below the house, which is steep and getting steeper, really need support forward as they have only air in front of them. This ground looks as though it has subsided two to three vertical feet since we first terraced it; it does nothing to make gardening there easier.

Comments (8)

  • 11 years ago

    Yes, some teas can be a problem. I had similar issues with Mrs. BR Cant, although we don't get snow, but when it was full of blooms and we had heavy rain, it would collapse. I did take out some long heave canes and that seemed to help. However I couldn't tell how well that did over time because I then lost all the top growth in the winter of 2013/14. It was coming back well until I lost it in the recent construction. I now have 2 Mrs. BR Cants, they are still tiny. But I am going to try to monitor their growth to try to get them to grow the way I want to without too much fussing.

    Madame Lambard is one tea that is fairly upright. In fact, it was climbing up a tree before I had to dig it up. It and Rosette de Lizzy were the only teas to survive being dug up. It has lost a lot of growth and two big canes, but it's putting out a lot of new growth.


  • 11 years ago

    With teas a really good year can be a nightmare! Now I've taken to lightly shaping them throughout the season, and cutting them back a good bit in the fall (that's quite a chore with huge Mr. Tillier and Mrs. Cant). I love your idea of a support system so you can enjoy all the blooms they are capable of!


  • 11 years ago

    Tell me about it! I have recently had to cut back 2 Mons. Tillier quite drastically as although I have espaliered them on the side fence they do send up long flowering canes and my neighbour objects to them dropping petals in her yard. Already in three weeks, they have put out nearly three feet canes and are flowering again. It is autumn/ fall here so will have large winter flowers outside my kitchen window but not the abundance I am used to. The plants are nearly 30 yrs old ( in z10) and have survived with little water for years. I have to try to keep them at 6ft which p-------s me off, because they have been here longer than the neighbour!! Sorry, I'm ranting.

    Melodye.

  • 11 years ago

    Melodye, yes, what a horrible disaster to have some beautiful rose blooms on your side of the fence that drop their petals. It would be very high on my list of major garden annoyances. I think some people look for things to upset them because they just wouldn't be happy any other way. That rose would be glorious if allowed to grow taller. I wonder if instead of espaliering it you could train it to be more of a forward flopping bush.


  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Well, it IS spring. Forget all the pruning problems and just smell and listen to it!

    Have a listen

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks Nik, that was beautiful music and very calming. Yes, spring is a wonderful time of growth and anticipation, but for now I am enjoying the autumn ripeness and looking forward to my bare- root arrivals in June/July.

    Ingrid, the two roses do flop forward, also I keep them deadheaded, so they are nearly always in bloom. A little further along the fence line I have a Nancy Hayward ( an Alister Clarke rose) which is also an almost continual bloomer, so I have wonderful colour even in the depths of (mild) winter.

  • 11 years ago

    You know what I do -- when they start to put canes UPward, I cut off a few of the bottom-most spready-floppy canes. It works here -- of course, YMMV.